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Author Topic: MADNESS: Total overhaul please help!  (Read 242 times)
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« on: May 16, 2012, 10:39:31 AM »

OK. On the millionth re-write. Started completely from scratch. No one really seemed interested in past versions - they were too much of a summary. Is this any better? Two versions below. Which one is better? Thank you so so much for your help. I need help!!



VERSION ONE:

“I’m coming after you.” The new email from the demented Dr. Willard sits in Sylvie Greenwood’s Inbox. Twenty four hours earlier she escaped from his psychiatric ward and assumed he was dead. During a therapy session she had drugged him and left him comatose, on his couch, while she rigged an explosion that ignited the ventilation system. The hospital and Willard burned as she ran and had her first taste of freedom since cutting her wrists six months earlier.

At twenty two, with a new degree in chemistry, she was committed to a long term care facility against her will. The twisted Dr. Willard purposely misdiagnosed her depression and declared she was a delusional schizophrenic. Sylvie was remanded to his care. Powerless in the face of his authority, Sylvie vowed to make him pay.

Now, just when she thinks she’s had her revenge and found freedom, her world shatters. She must regroup, plan and strike again. Willard must die. Sylvie cannot fail. Her future and sanity are at stake.

MADNESS, a work in women’s fiction is complete at 90,000 words. It chronicles the crack-up of Sylvie Greenwood: brilliant, beautiful, madly in love and on the run – slowly losing her mind, with a trail of bodies in her wake.


VERSION TWO:
Sylvie Greenwood is sitting in her padded room, thirteen steps from the observation window, waiting. Once the nurse passes by, she has 180 seconds to use the key she has stolen to unlock her door and run to her therapist’s office. If all goes according to plan, the doctor will be dead and she will escape in less than an hour. It will be her first taste of freedom since cutting her wrists six months earlier.

At twenty two, with a new degree in chemistry, she was committed to a long term care facility against her will. The twisted Dr. Willard purposely misdiagnosed her depression and declared she was a delusional schizophrenic. Sylvie was remanded to his care. Powerless in the face of his authority, Sylvie vowed to make him pay.

Now is her moment. Her roommate is in position, at a therapy session, and should have already slipped the ground up pills into Willard’s drink. Sylvie is going to leave him comatose, on his couch, while she rigs an explosion that ignites the ventilation system. The hospital and Willard will burn as she runs. She cannot fail. Her future and sanity are at stake. But what if all doesn’t go according to plan? What if Willard survives?

MADNESS, a work in women’s fiction is complete at 90,000 words. It chronicles the crack-up of Sylvie Greenwood: brilliant, beautiful, madly in love and on the run – slowly losing her mind, with a trail of bodies in her wake.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 12:06:46 AM »

I dunno... They both feel a little like backstory to me.... Try this on for size (caveat: i've been imbibing a bit, so this may be horrible.)


Twenty-two-year-old Sylvie Greenwood's life hasn't quite been right since she slit her wrists six months ago. Now trapped in a mental institution, she has to deal with the pressures of life after college--and a chemistry degree that's getting her nowhere--plus Dr. Willard, who should be in the padded cell next to hers instead of spouting out "helpful advice."

Committed to the long-term care facility against her will, Sylvie has vowed to make Dr. Willard pay for his misdiagnosis. She knows she's not a delusional schizophrenic; however, she is willing to kill Willard, if it will guarantee her way out of this horrible place. Sylvie cannot fail--her sanity and her freedom are at stake.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 10:27:39 AM »

Is the book about what happens after she escapes or does it pick up with the escape?  If its about the escape then these querries are on the right track, if it is about what happens after the escape then these queries could probably be shortened to "Wrongly committed to a mental institution, but newly escaped"
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 02:48:58 PM »

Lexcade - AMAZING feedback!!! Thank you so much. I can't tell you how much I appreciated your re-write. Really incredibly helpful. If you have a chance - can you let me know what you think of this? Still sounding like too much back story?

When the troubled Sylvie Greenwood graduates from Harvard, she is reunited with her first love, David, who is as brainy and good looking as ever. After she discovers he has grown into a criminal genius she is startled to find that she wants in on his crooked business. Sylvie’s life hasn’t been quite right since then.

Determined to move in with David and bury her demons, the pressures of hiding secrets and dealing with life after college wrap Sylvie in a depression that lands her in a mental institution. Trapped, Sylvie has to cope with the strain of her diagnosis - and the devastating separation from David that it brings – plus Dr. Willard, who should be in the padded cell next to hers instead of overseeing her treatment.

Sylvie has vowed to make the twisted Dr. Willard pay for his misdiagnosis. She knows she’s not a delusional schizophrenic and she is willing to kill if it will guarantee her way out. Fueled by passion, Sylvie embarks on a daring plan that cannot fail – her sanity and freedom are at stake.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 06:55:32 PM »

That's a LOT better. Also, you're welcome Smiley

A few more suggestions. Take what you like and leave the rest, my dear.  Thumbs Up

When the troubled Sylvie Greenwood graduates from Harvard, she is reunited with her first love, David, who is as brainy and good looking as ever. After she discovers he has grown into a criminal genius she is startled to find that she wants in on his crooked business. Sylvie’s life hasn’t been quite right since then. (This is vague. You needn't be vague in your query. Every word counts.)

Determined to move in with David and bury her demons, the pressures of hiding secrets and dealing with life after college wrap Sylvie in a depression that lands her, against her will, in a mental institution. Trapped, Sylvie has to cope with the strain of her misdiagnosis - and the devastating separation from David that it brings plus by Dr. Willard, who should be in the padded cell next to hers instead of overseeing her treatment. (Don't panic at the passive voice. It works in this instance.)

Sylvie has vowed to make the twisted Dr. Willard pay for his misdiagnosis. She knows she’s not a delusional schizophrenic and she is willing to kill if it will guarantee her way out. Fueled by passion, Sylvie embarks on a daring plan that cannot fail – her sanity and freedom are at stake. This would probably improve if we had a couple examples of Willard's twisted behavior. I want to know what she's really running from, besides her separation from David.


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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 10:30:03 PM »

Hi Rachel,

You're getting some good suggestions for the query! I wanted to give you some feedback, too, but my feedback is kind of unsolicited. Some of the stuff surrounding the mental health issues sounds rather unrealistic, which can sometimes set you back if you query an agent who knows her psych. So even though it might be frustrating to get some of this feedback, I hope it will be helpful!


VERSION ONE:

“I’m coming after you.” The new email from the demented Dr. Willard sits in Sylvie Greenwood’s Inbox. Twenty four hours earlier she escaped from his psychiatric ward and assumed he was dead. During a therapy session she had drugged him and left him comatose, on his couch, while she rigged an explosion that ignited the ventilation system. The hospital and Willard burned as she ran and had her first taste of freedom since cutting her wrists six months earlier.

Dr. Evil is one of the 4 types of therapists writers typically create; I think the challenge of a Dr. Evil is to make him/her unique.

First, Dr. Willard must indeed be demented if he's sending Sylvie emails -- paper trail!

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At twenty two, with a new degree in chemistry, she was committed to a long term care facility against her will. The twisted Dr. Willard purposely misdiagnosed her depression and declared she was a delusional schizophrenic. Sylvie was remanded to his care. Powerless in the face of his authority, Sylvie vowed to make him pay.


There's no such diagnosis as delusional schizophrenia. Delusions are a symptom of schizophrenia, but the types we diagnose are paranoid, disorganized, catatonic, or undifferentiated. Or you can just call it "schizophrenia."

I'm also not sure why he'd say she had schizophrenia when he could just say she had a psychotic depression -- that does happen, though typically the delusions are congruent with the mood symptoms, so it kind of depends on what type of delusions she supposedly has.  Someone with bipolar disorder may have unusual delusions in the manic phase, though.

Or Dr. Willard could just say she has a delusional disorder. If she doesn't have hallucinations, she would diagnosed with a delusional disorder UNLESS the delusions are bizarre (ie they couldn't possibly happen in the world as we know it -- alien abductions, people being replaced with doppelgangers). If someone truly has bizarre delusions, a diagnosis of schizophrenia is given.

But if she had mood symptoms to begin with (and people with mood disorders are far more likely than people with schizophrenia to slit their wrists), you have to diagnose the mood disorder too.  When someone has a mood disorder AND schizophrenia, they are diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. (My favorite movie example of schizoaffective disorder is Sarah Connor in Terminator 2.)

My next concern is that she was committed to a long-term care facility.  Typically the only way someone can stay in a hospital long-term (ie on a psychiatric floor) is if they are an immediate danger to themselves or others. And even then, they usually only stay for 72 hours. Even if someone has delusions and schizophrenia, they can't be kept long-term. And even someone who's dangerous to self or others isn't constantly a danger.

Then...there's a BIG staff of people that works in any psychiatric ward. Multiple psychologists and psychiatrists, nurses, social workers, and so on... How did Dr. Willard fool all of them? Especially if he's diagnosing her with something that has nothing to do with her real diagnosis.

Finally, she actually sounds like she should be institutionalized to me. 1) She slit her wrists. 2) She thinks her Dr. is evil when what he's supposedly pulled off isn't really feasible. 3) She just tried to kill someone.

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Now, just when she thinks she’s had her revenge and found freedom, her world shatters. She must regroup, plan and strike again. Willard must die. Sylvie cannot fail. Her future and sanity are at stake.


This is more of a query-letter feedback remark -- What does "her world shatters" mean? We don't know how or why.

Also, why is she going back after Willard, rather than just running away?

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MADNESS, a work in women’s fiction is complete at 90,000 words. It chronicles the crack-up of Sylvie Greenwood: brilliant, beautiful, madly in love and on the run – slowly losing her mind, with a trail of bodies in her wake.

VERSION TWO:
Sylvie Greenwood is sitting in her padded room, thirteen steps from the observation window, waiting. Once the nurse passes by, she has 180 seconds to use the key she has stolen to unlock her door and run to her therapist’s office. If all goes according to plan, the doctor will be dead and she will escape in less than an hour. It will be her first taste of freedom since cutting her wrists six months earlier.

The rooms aren't padded. Really. There are quiet rooms, or isolation rooms, but people are only put in them as a last resort, and they're monitored while they're in there.

With regards to people checking on the patients, a round is usually more like 10 or 15 minutes.

You never say why she cut her wrists in the first place.

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Now is her moment. Her roommate is in position, at a therapy session, and should have already slipped the ground up pills into Willard’s drink. Sylvie is going to leave him comatose, on his couch, while she rigs an explosion that ignites the ventilation system. The hospital and Willard will burn as she runs. She cannot fail. Her future and sanity are at stake. But what if all doesn’t go according to plan? What if Willard survives?

Where in heaven's name did she get the pills?  She wasn't taking her own meds?  What is she taking that will dope her up so much?  The only thing I can think of is something like trazodone, which is an antidepressant sometimes used as a sleep aid for people who can't sleep due to their other antidepressants. Believe me, someone would notice if she wasn't taking them. Plus, those things are bitter as all get-out, so Dr. Willard would taste it in his coffee the second he took a sip.

If any of that doesn't make sense, let me know. I was just kind of rambling.

Someone else made a good point that a lot of this does sound like backstory rather than what happens in the story itself, but what you've got certainly sounds interesting!
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 10:24:52 AM »

 clap clap clap

I love having a resident psychiatrist on the Boards. Carolyn has some awesome advice, Rachel.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 09:53:01 AM »

Ladies - Thank you SO SO much!! I really can't tell you how helpful you have both been. Clearly I need to stay away from as much psychology as possible in this little bit because it is complicated in the story.

Another version - if you have a few minutes to take a look I would really appreciate it. Again. thank you so so much.


When the troubled Sylvie Greenwood graduates from Harvard, she is reunited with her first love, David, who is as brainy and good looking as ever. After she discovers David has grown into a criminal genius, she is startled when he confesses that he wants her back. Shocked yet thrilled by her desire for this crooked man, Sylvie balks when she learns that his latest enterprise is throwing off millions and he’s not telling her the whole story. She’s afraid that David is going too far – not to mention the fact that she’s hiding secrets of her own.

Determined to bury her fears and trust David, the life that Sylvie chooses after college wraps her in a depression that lands her in a mental institution. Trapped and powerless in the face of her doctors’ authority, Sylvie has to cope with being committed against her will – plus Dr. Willard, who should be in the padded cell next to hers instead of overseeing her treatment.

Fueled by her need to escape from Dr. Willard and determination to start a new life with David, Sylvie embarks on a daring plan to break out that cannot fail – her sanity and freedom are at stake.
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