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Title: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 13, 2015, 08:30:18 AM
Who's doin' it in August?

I think my MS will be ready by then. I sent my MS out to three people. One came back within a week (blubbering and gushing), one I am almost in the process of swapping last pages, and I'm almost finished with my Beta stage too. Which means a few more edits from advice and suggestions, and it's good to go.

I've also been reading a hella good manuscript from my betas (seriously, dude. This story written by a son-daughter duo is pretty boss... I hope my beta readers reads this). That's right. i stayed up 'till ONE last night reading 'cause I couldn't stop! Loved it. But now I'm tired today lol.

I'm submitting THE ZERO MAKER, since Ashes on Brady Street can't be submitted (it got into #pitchmadness earlier this year with Ashes On Brady Street).

I'm excited.

Who's excited?

HEH? HEH???

CRADLE'S EXCITED :D!

I am stoked to do this again because these contests have like a huge pool of support and friendliness that you can dive right into. If something happens and I can't submit THE ZERO MAKER, I'm still going to be there, 'cause who the heck would miss an author get together like that? There was a wonderful atmosphere in #pitchmadness earlier this year, so I'm excited to see what it will be like this year for pitch wars.  :happy:
 
My old team leader for #pitchmadness is a judge this year for Pitch Wars, which is super cool. Idk why i'm so excited. IDK WHY. I'm stoked. (More stoked about being on twitter and chatting with authors more than anything). It's pretty freaking awesome.

:D

(Also, I am rooting for all QT members... which means I might spam you with random bouts of exclamation points if you get in. Sorry. That's just how it happens yo).  :cheer:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 13, 2015, 08:43:37 AM
if my MS is ready i will but it's not looking too good so far.

last year I didn't make it but I got feedback from 2 of the people that I sent to that said they were excited to see what the future would hold for me, and expected to hear about a book deal on my feed soon...

My book has only gotten better since then.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 13, 2015, 08:59:28 AM
if my MS is ready i will but it's not looking too good so far.

last year I didn't make it but I got feedback from 2 of the people that I sent to that said they were excited to see what the future would hold for me, and expected to hear about a book deal on my feed soon...

My book has only gotten better since then.

If you feel it's ready you should totally do it. I mean, what's the worst that can happen, right? (That's what I keep telling myself!) If it isn't ready, there are plenty of other contests later down the road that would be pretty cool to enter.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 13, 2015, 09:28:23 AM
I'm a mentor!!! I'm so freaking excited!

PS: I can't vote for anyone I know (so you guys can't sub to me if I know you on here), but I can certainly cheer you all on!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 13, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
it's laying down the tracks and getting the voices right.   every time I think I've got it, something else pops up.  I've gone from my first draft where every character sounds the same, to my current draft where I'm over describing things and turned everyone into a stereotype (which was intentional, just not to the level I have taken it).

I think I'll enter if I have at least half of the book re-written, I figure I can push through the rest in a matter of days if I absolutely need to.  guess it's time to start looking at my pitch again huh?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 09:40:13 AM
I wanted to enter BOTR but idk if that's too contested out. I wanted to enter it but I'm not sure if I should. I think it'd do well.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 13, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
that's an interesting call...   norally I'd say Go for it X, but seeing as you have several partials and fulls out as well as having to have turned down an exclusive it could be a sticky spot for people.


then again, no one has offered yet, and what you are doing is the equivalent of querying multiple agents...  hmmmmm

if you feel good about any of the partials/fulls you have out there I would say no until you hear from them.  Otherwise I say jump in with both feet.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 09:49:46 AM
that's an interesting call...   norally I'd say Go for it X, but seeing as you have several partials and fulls out as well as having to have turned down an exclusive it could be a sticky spot for people.


then again, no one has offered yet, and what you are doing is the equivalent of querying multiple agents...  hmmmmm

if you feel good about any of the partials/fulls you have out there I would say no until you hear from them.  Otherwise I say jump in with both feet.

I mean I think Sarah did the same thing and she just pulled her ms out when it got an offer.

I personally make it a rule not to "feel good" about a request out or not bc I honestly hVe no clue how the agent will respond.

Idk.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 13, 2015, 10:10:40 AM
I wanted to enter BOTR but idk if that's too contested out. I wanted to enter it but I'm not sure if I should. I think it'd do well.

What do you guys think?

I'd wait and see who the agents are. You may have already hit a lot of them.

Also, keep in mind PW is a contest where mentors work one on one with mentees to shape and polish their queries and entire ms. If you already have fulls and stuff out and are past the revision aspect, it's probably not the contest for this ms.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 10:19:48 AM
I wanted to enter BOTR but idk if that's too contested out. I wanted to enter it but I'm not sure if I should. I think it'd do well.

What do you guys think?

I'd wait and see who the agents are. You may have already hit a lot of them.

Also, keep in mind PW is a contest where mentors work one on one with mentees to shape and polish their queries and entire ms. If you already have fulls and stuff out and are past the revision aspect, it's probably not the contest for this ms.

I guess that's true. I wish I had a MS that was ready for this. I keep wanting to enter. Bleh.

I guess I won't enter. maybe I'll have something new ready next year. Or maybe I won't need to enter any contests next year. If you get my hint.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: slightlysmall on July 13, 2015, 11:32:57 AM
Fairly certain I'll be entering this year. I'm nervous and excited about it but Pitch Wars is probably the best contest for it. Don't mind me if I spend August gnawing my fingernails off, though.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on July 13, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
Do it! My mentor, Fiona McLaren, is the best!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 13, 2015, 12:32:09 PM
well now... seeing that I have set a goal of a complete edit by September and I only need a polished first chapter/query/pitch before then I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess I'm in.

:-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 13, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
well now... seeing that I have set a goal of a complete edit by September and I only need a polished first chapter/query/pitch before then I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess I'm in.

:-)


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Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 13, 2015, 12:34:58 PM
Fairly certain I'll be entering this year. I'm nervous and excited about it but Pitch Wars is probably the best contest for it. Don't mind me if I spend August gnawing my fingernails off, though.

 :cool:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
Good luck to all of you! Maybe I'll enter next year if I have a new MS. But hopefully I'll have a  agent before then lol
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 13, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
So cradle and X can I count on your continued support to polish the sh** out of my first chapter?  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
So cradle and X can I count on your continued support to polish the sh** out of my first chapter?  :-)

Of course. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 13, 2015, 03:54:50 PM
I want to enter but I really don't know if I should. I have a couple of partials and a full out =/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 04:05:44 PM
I want to enter but I really don't know if I should. I have a couple of partials and a full out =/

How many partials? If it's like 4-5 I would wait. But if it's a lower number, I think it'd be fine.

I have 5 fulls and 4 partials out ATM so that's why it'd probably be wrong for me to enter.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 13, 2015, 04:22:24 PM
I want to enter but I really don't know if I should. I have a couple of partials and a full out =/

How many partials? If it's like 4-5 I would wait. But if it's a lower number, I think it'd be fine.

I have 5 fulls and 4 partials out ATM so that's why it'd probably be wrong for me to enter.

Wow, congrats on all those requests  :)
I currently have two partials, one full, and I was also selected for Pitch to Publication.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 13, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Wow, congrats on all those requests  :)
I currently have two partials, one full, and I was also selected for Pitch to Publication.

Thanks! It's the first time I've had that many!

Hmm...I think then you'd be okay to enter. Although I don't know much about Pitch to Publication, so if that's going to get you a lot of requests or is a similar contest to PitchWars, perhaps leaving an opening for others would be good.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 13, 2015, 04:41:43 PM
Wow, congrats on all those requests  :)
I currently have two partials, one full, and I was also selected for Pitch to Publication.

Thanks! It's the first time I've had that many!

Hmm...I think then you'd be okay to enter. Although I don't know much about Pitch to Publication, so if that's going to get you a lot of requests or is a similar contest to PitchWars, perhaps leaving an opening for others would be good.



I should know next Monday if I made it to the next round of Pitch to Publication. Editors took 100 submissions each and they had to narrow them down to 10 or so. From those 10 they pick one to work with and after that agents get to see it. So I guess I'll wait and see what happens with that before I decide on Pitch Wars.
Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on July 14, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
I hope to be ready.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 16, 2015, 08:13:44 AM
I'm excited for anyone wanting to do it. woo hoo! I'm guessing this means don't query until then?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 16, 2015, 11:02:41 AM
Why?  Hit the ground running, if you pickup an agent before then you don't need to enter.

If someone asks for an exclusive you'll have to deal with it at the time, but what harm could it do. He'll you might even get feedback tgat could help you prep for pitchwars.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 11:09:16 AM
Why?  Hit the ground running, if you pickup an agent before then you don't need to enter.

If someone asks for an exclusive you'll have to deal with it at the time, but what harm could it do. He'll you might even get feedback tgat could help you prep for pitchwars.

You can always not grant the exclusive. Most agents are okay with that if you have other requests/queries out.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on July 16, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
The main reason not to query is because your mentor will probably give you a major overhaul and you'll be left in the awkward position of either having to send them the old, less good draft or making them wait. I queried one person during Pitch Wars and immediately got a full request and then had to make her wait for like two months because I was in the middle of revising the ending. It was really embarrassing.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: dimple_doo on July 16, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
Hey everyone! New to the query/pitch contests ;-) I was just reading through the thread and wondering what BOTR is?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 16, 2015, 03:38:04 PM
X's book "Bones Of The Rabbit"

fantasy/pirate YA...   good reading.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
BOTR--Bones of the Rabbit. YA High Fantasy about a Pirate heiress.

I'm way too lazy to type out the entire name so I usually write BOTR. I think pretty much every regular member of QT knows what BOTR means now. lol.

I have 4 partials and 5 fulls out with it atm.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: 007 fan on July 16, 2015, 04:36:02 PM
Anyone know when the list of people writers can select for possible mentors will be up?

I've been to the site and I can't find it....maybe I suck at surfing blogs and the list is there? 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 16, 2015, 04:39:13 PM
Well, somebody made a twitter list/group, but I randomly found somebody who tweeted it. If I find the link I will post it here.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: 007 fan on July 16, 2015, 04:40:11 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 16, 2015, 06:24:11 PM
Anyone know when the list of people writers can select for possible mentors will be up?

I've been to the site and I can't find it....maybe I suck at surfing blogs and the list is there? 

August 3rd the official mentor list and their wishlist blog hop will be posted. Here's the schedule from Brenda Drake's blog:

August 3 – 17:  Mentor Bio/Wishlist Blog Hop
August 17: Writers submit applications to mentors for Pitch Wars
August 17  –  September 1: Pitch Wars mentors review applications and choose a writer to mentor.
September 2: Pitch War mentees are announced.
September 2 – October 31: Mentors work with their team.
September 10: #PitMad Twitter Pitch Party 8AM – 8PM EDT
November 3  – 5: Agent round for Pitch Wars
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 16, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
I would do it...except I don't have a Twitter and probably won't any time soon. *shrug*

But I wish the best of luck to whoever enters it!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 16, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
I would do it...except I don't have a Twitter and probably won't any time soon. *shrug*

But I wish the best of luck to whoever enters it!

You don't need Twitter to enter Pitch Wars. Just a shiny query and manuscript!

Twitter is only used if you want to do #Pitmad.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 16, 2015, 09:04:55 PM
I would do it...except I don't have a Twitter and probably won't any time soon. *shrug*

But I wish the best of luck to whoever enters it!

You don't need Twitter to enter Pitch Wars. Just a shiny query and manuscript!

Twitter is only used if you want to do #Pitmad.

Oh really? Awesome! Is there a fee or anything? Sorry, I've never done anything like this.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote
Oh really? Awesome! Is there a fee or anything? Sorry, I've never done anything like this.

No fee! As far as I know most contests don't have fees! (But some will have a donate button which is optional)

But yeah, twitter is nice for contests because the judge will tweet a lot about what they want to see and whatnot and there is usually a twitter party where the people entering the contest post stuff about their novels/etc. and it's really fun. A lot of it has to do with the community. But while I'd personally recommend a twitter for communication, it's not needed.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 16, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
All the judges like to tweet seriously vague things about things they like or hate and drive the participating authors nuts wondering if they are talking about them or not.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 09:39:17 PM
All the judges like to tweet seriously vague things about things they like or hate and drive the participating authors nuts wondering if they are talking about them or not.

It's not just that. There's also the community too. I made a lot of friends during QueryKombat.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 16, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
All the judges like to tweet seriously vague things about things they like or hate and drive the participating authors nuts wondering if they are talking about them or not.

I can't WAIT to do this, mwahaha! I'm already having too much fun smack talking other mentors and tweeting fake subs they'd like to see.

Awarwick, no fee! Brenda Drake's blog (www.brendadrake.com) will have all the info you need as it gets closer., but here's the basics. The first main thing will be on August 3rd. It's the mentor blog hop, where you visit the webpages of the different mentors and see what they are like and what they are looking for in terms of genre, etc. Then you'll choose up to 4 (I think) mentors to submit to. On the submission date (Aug 17), you'll fill out the form on Brenda's site (again, I think, if it's done like last year) and check off the 4 mentors you want to submit to. You'll send off your query and first chapter. Then you'll wait. Some mentors may ask for more, some may not. Then, on Sept 2, the mentees will be announced. If you're chosen, you'll work for the next two months with your mentor on whipping your manuscript and pitch into shape. Finally, on Nov 2, your pitch and first 250 words will appear on Brenda's blog for the agent round.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 09:49:58 PM

I can't WAIT to do this, mwahaha! I'm already having too much fun smack talking other mentors and tweeting fake subs they'd like to see.



EVIL OVERLORD. THE POWER OF THE MENTORS HAS GONE TO YOUR HEAD>
:wag:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 16, 2015, 09:54:43 PM
well  at least we know none of us will be talked about by spike...  seeing as none of us can sub her  :-(
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 16, 2015, 09:56:22 PM

I can't WAIT to do this, mwahaha! I'm already having too much fun smack talking other mentors and tweeting fake subs they'd like to see.



EVIL OVERLORD. THE POWER OF THE MENTORS HAS GONE TO YOUR HEAD>
:wag:

Haha! Well, this has basically been one of my goals since being in it a couple years ago. I have vowed to enjoy it and hopefully help an amazing writer reach their own goals. Don't worry. I still remember what it was like on the other side. ;)

well  at least we know none of us will be talked about by spike...  seeing as none of us can sub her  :-(

Awwwww....well, I can assure you there are some incredible mentors this year (and there are a LOT of us to choose from)! And I'm going to be cheering for each and every one of you guys.

To be honest, I have this awful paranoia no one will end up subbing to me at all...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 16, 2015, 10:02:17 PM

To be honest, I have this awful paranoia no one will end up subbing to me at all...

Don't be silly. Of course they will. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 16, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
I still have to re-edit an entire book in under a month...  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: slightlysmall on July 17, 2015, 12:58:21 AM

To be honest, I have this awful paranoia no one will end up subbing to me at all...

Attention everyone who found a way to stalk Spike here while deciding whether to pitch to her for Pitch Wars:

DO IT

Seriously, Spike. You give excellent advice and your query feedback is to die for. Your mentee will be extremely lucky. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 17, 2015, 07:44:29 AM

To be honest, I have this awful paranoia no one will end up subbing to me at all...

Attention everyone who found a way to stalk Spike here while deciding whether to pitch to her for Pitch Wars:

DO IT

Seriously, Spike. You give excellent advice and your query feedback is to die for. Your mentee will be extremely lucky. :)



Awwww.....you are way too sweet. :blush:

And I seriously hope to see lots of QT names in the list of mentees!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 17, 2015, 08:08:56 AM
Spike, don't worry! You will have plenty of subs--I know it! ;D


If by the off chance the apocalypse happens and only a few people on earth are left, I promise to go against the rules and spam sub you like 1000 times until I get thrown out of the competition.

So apocalypse or not, you are getting subs. :wink:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 17, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
Uhmmmm I guess I shouldn't be worrying about this since it's a month away, but I'm polishing up my query for pitch wars and it got me thinking.

Do we share our credentials?

'Cause my protagonist is genderqueer and so am I. Without the mention somebody might go 'heh?' when they read the part where Sunny prefers Sunny as her name because it's masculine and feminine in the first chapter.

I probably should wait until more information is released on pitch wars. But I'm curious.

 Also

CRAP AUGUST 17TH IS WHEN FIRST DAY OF CLASSES START AT MY UNIVERSITY.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 17, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
Spike, don't worry! You will have plenty of subs--I know it! ;D


If by the off chance the apocalypse happens and only a few people on earth are left, I promise to go against the rules and spam sub you like 1000 times until I get thrown out of the competition.

So apocalypse or not, you are getting subs. :wink:

Woohoo! Yay spam subs!

Uhmmmm I guess I shouldn't be worrying about this since it's a month away, but I'm polishing up my query for pitch wars and it got me thinking.

Do we share our credentials?

'Cause my protagonist is genderqueer and so am I. Without the mention somebody might go 'heh?' when they read the part where Sunny prefers Sunny as her name because it's masculine and feminine in the first chapter.

I probably should wait until more information is released on pitch wars. But I'm curious.

 Also

CRAP AUGUST 17TH IS WHEN FIRST DAY OF CLASSES START AT MY UNIVERSITY.

So, you'll be sending it like you would a query letter. I definitely think that's something you should include in the credentials bit of your query. :)

And you will have the whole day to enter. Have everything read to go, then send it when you get a second.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 17, 2015, 09:25:05 AM
Spike, if you don't mind me asking (and if you're allowed to say) what genres do you usually work with? I'd love to sub to you if I enter.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 17, 2015, 09:33:55 AM
Spike, don't worry! You will have plenty of subs--I know it! ;D


If by the off chance the apocalypse happens and only a few people on earth are left, I promise to go against the rules and spam sub you like 1000 times until I get thrown out of the competition.

So apocalypse or not, you are getting subs. :wink:

Woohoo! Yay spam subs!

Uhmmmm I guess I shouldn't be worrying about this since it's a month away, but I'm polishing up my query for pitch wars and it got me thinking.

Do we share our credentials?

'Cause my protagonist is genderqueer and so am I. Without the mention somebody might go 'heh?' when they read the part where Sunny prefers Sunny as her name because it's masculine and feminine in the first chapter.

I probably should wait until more information is released on pitch wars. But I'm curious.

 Also

CRAP AUGUST 17TH IS WHEN FIRST DAY OF CLASSES START AT MY UNIVERSITY.

So, you'll be sending it like you would a query letter. I definitely think that's something you should include in the credentials bit of your query. :)

And you will have the whole day to enter. Have everything read to go, then send it when you get a second.

*wipes brow*

Sweet! Thanks for the info.  ;D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 17, 2015, 09:36:15 AM
Spike, if you don't mind me asking (and if you're allowed to say) what genres do you usually work with? I'd love to sub to you if I enter.

I'm not fully allowed to say my specific genres till the wishlist blog hop on the 3rd, but I CAN say I'm mentoring YA and NA. And my tastes are pretty varied, so I will probably have a range of genres there. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: dimple_doo on July 17, 2015, 11:48:00 AM
Thanks for answering! I'm hoping to sign up for pitch wars as well. Unfortunately, I haven't had any requests yet lol. Not many people want an adult PNR. *cries* :(
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 17, 2015, 07:09:12 PM
Spike, if you don't mind me asking (and if you're allowed to say) what genres do you usually work with? I'd love to sub to you if I enter.

I'm not fully allowed to say my specific genres till the wishlist blog hop on the 3rd, but I CAN say I'm mentoring YA and NA. And my tastes are pretty varied, so I will probably have a range of genres there. :)

Sounds good! =)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 19, 2015, 11:38:09 AM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 19, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
Gaah. *Wishes she had a MS to enter*

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on July 19, 2015, 12:10:26 PM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/

Thanks for the info!
I'll find out if I made it to the agent round of Pitch to Publication tomorrow. If I didn't I think I will enter this  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 20, 2015, 08:21:41 AM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/

It says you can't query if you get chosen! Dang...I'm going to have to think about this. I don't think I'll be able to wait 2 months!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on July 20, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/

It says you can't query if you get chosen! Dang...I'm going to have to think about this. I don't think I'll be able to wait 2 months!

But don't forget, you'll be spending that two months revising your ms with your mentor, so you'll have an even stronger one to query! :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 20, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
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Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 20, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/

It says you can't query if you get chosen! Dang...I'm going to have to think about this. I don't think I'll be able to wait 2 months!

But don't forget, you'll be spending that two months revising your ms with your mentor, so you'll have an even stronger one to query! :)

YOU'RE RIGHT! I'mma go for it. I will probably partake in an unhealthy amount of stalki--er...learning about all the mentors ;D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 20, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
Here's more info for you guys!

http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/07/pitch-wars-2015-is-coming-are-you-ready/

It says you can't query if you get chosen! Dang...I'm going to have to think about this. I don't think I'll be able to wait 2 months!

But don't forget, you'll be spending that two months revising your ms with your mentor, so you'll have an even stronger one to query! :)

YOU'RE RIGHT! I'mma go for it. I will probably partake in an unhealthy amount of stalki--er...learning about all the mentors ;D

Yay!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 20, 2015, 02:33:20 PM
here's a weird question...

the contest is for "completed" MS...   as I sits right now my MS is completed, hell I have 7 versions of it completed, but I am in the middle of a re-write.   do I have to finish this re-write by the 17th?

God knows I'm going to do everything in my power to do so, but if it doesn't happen do I dare enter a 3/4 re-written MS anyways?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on July 20, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
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the contest is for "completed" MS...   as I sits right now my MS is completed, hell I have 7 versions of it completed, but I am in the middle of a re-write.   do I have to finish this re-write by the 17th?

God knows I'm going to do everything in my power to do so, but if it doesn't happen do I dare enter a 3/4 re-written MS anyways?

Mentors will ask for partials and fulls just like agents. Don't enter if you aren't ready to supply them.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 20, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
But that's what I'm saying...  I have a complete MS.

if my re-write only gets to 80% by the deadline how much of a faux Pas is it to go with 80% re-write 20% original assuming someone asks for a full?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on July 20, 2015, 03:31:55 PM
But that's what I'm saying...  I have a complete MS.

if my re-write only gets to 80% by the deadline how much of a faux Pas is it to go with 80% re-write 20% original assuming someone asks for a full?

I wouldn't. If it's weak enough to need a complete rewrite, it's too weak to sub. Does it even read coherently in its partially-revised state?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 20, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
yes.

the re-write is more to skate away from existing tropes it's dancing to close to, than it is for a lot of different thing...   adding depth to characters, making them less stereotypical etc.  The core storyline is still exactly the same, and actually some of the sections are likely complete as is with a simple brush over.

I'm going to push as hard as I can to get it done but it would sure be a shame to miss this contest and finish my re-write less than a week later.  I guess I'll just have to look at how far to the end I am if I don't make it when the time comes and judge from that.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 21, 2015, 12:55:44 PM
Brenda responded to my question on her blog by merely saying "your MS should be as polished as you can make it for the contest."  So I'm taking that to mean that 3/4 new 1/4 old would be Okay,but would likely not make it.

it puts me at ease though, because while I do plan to be ready for the contest if I had to drop out because the last 15 pages of my re-write weren't complete I'm lose my sh** I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 29, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
Was skimming through the entries from last year and I had heart palpitations. :'(

GAH
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
Any help anyone wants to throw my way will be greatly appreciated.

I still have to finish my re-write, and find a time to re-write my synposis...   yay!

Query, first five, and first chapter are all up though. 

please don't make me beg...  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on July 29, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
Can someone please tell me what this is all about? ???

Thanks,
JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
pitchwars is a competition where you submit your query and first chapter to up to 4 published authors...

these authors each choose a single "mentee" to take under their wing and help polish the MS as much as possible before the agent round.

that's basically it.  so it's a contest for experienced help.

Submissions are on August 17th, mentor reveals is next week sometime i think so you can plan who you're going to submit too...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on July 29, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
Thanks Falthor :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 29, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
Still bumed about not being able to enter. Gah! I was I was working on something but my inspiration is taking a goddamn long time.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
well you wrote this last one too fast.  there's a problem most people would love to have.

:-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 29, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
well you wrote this last one too fast.  there's a problem most people would love to have.

:-)

Yeah, but I see so many success stories from PitchWars. I want to be a success story. Right now I'm not.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on July 29, 2015, 08:49:36 PM
Hmm. Can't wait for the blog hop! For some reason I have a feeling it will be hard choosing who to submit to because of my genre (YA horror) but I could totally be wrong.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
ya last year I had 2 definite...  no doubt in my mind I wanted to sub to them, and then about 8 I had to pick from to round out my submissions...

Hoping it's that easy again this year.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 29, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
You guys are gonna have so much fun. I bet you'll both get agents before me with all the contests.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 09:58:31 PM
this will actually be the 6th or 7th contest I've entered this MS into...  I haven't won one yet.  And I never had the request rate you do for your MS.

I fully believe your book will see the shelves of a book store before mine will.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 29, 2015, 10:28:32 PM
I fully believe your book will see the shelves of a book store before mine will.

I wanted to say "God I hope so" but then I realized I would be hoping for your failure so um...

God I hope so for us both?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on July 29, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
it's all good X.  Wish for your own good luck, just remember the little people when we say "Hey can someone be a CP for my next MS?"  :-)

hopefully, someday we'll both be sitting at opposite tables at some con somewhere and get to talk about what it was like in the query trenches with this group of talented writers helping us out.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 29, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
I feel like we should all go to a con and get tables together and have a sign that says

"QT writers"

or something.

Or maybe I'll just roam the Barnes and Nobles and take selfies with all your books.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on July 30, 2015, 10:20:17 AM
This will be my first writing contest. I don't have a Twitter so I've never participated in any of those contests, so I'm super pumped! I feel like it's kind of like looking for a house, you just spend your days searching and weighing the pros and cons of the mentors and what they like versus what you like.

But I really hope a QTer finds success with this contest. I have my fingers crossed for anyone who enters!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on July 30, 2015, 10:23:01 AM
This will be my first writing contest. I don't have a Twitter so I've never participated in any of those contests, so I'm super pumped! I feel like it's kind of like looking for a house, you just spend your days searching and weighing the pros and cons of the mentors and what they like versus what you like.

But I really hope a QTer finds success with this contest. I have my fingers crossed for anyone who enters!



Good luck!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: KimE on July 30, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
I did pitmad last year and got only one request that didn't result in getting a mentor, BUT it really gave me the kick in the pants I needed to finish and revise and that's the MS that got an agent 8 months later.... so it's a win sometimes when it isn't an actual win
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 01, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
Mentor bios go up on Monday! I think you guys will be happy with how many mentors and how much choice you'll have! The agent list is awesome, too.

And so you all know, most of the mentors are nervous, too. All us newbies so are terrified no one will sub to us. So, yeah, we freak out as well!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 01, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Is there a fee to enter the contest?

JP

Nope! Totally free.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 01, 2015, 01:58:40 PM
i think as Qt'ers were at a disadvantage... since we can't Sub Falen or Spike...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 01, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
Mentor bios go up on Monday! I think you guys will be happy with how many mentors and how much choice you'll have! The agent list is awesome, too.

And so you all know, most of the mentors are nervous, too. All us newbies so are terrified no one will sub to us. So, yeah, we freak out as well!

I plan on reading your mentor bio. Just 'cause.

And Im SURE you're gonna get people. It's YOU.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 01, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
Mentor bios go up on Monday! I think you guys will be happy with how many mentors and how much choice you'll have! The agent list is awesome, too.

And so you all know, most of the mentors are nervous, too. All us newbies so are terrified no one will sub to us. So, yeah, we freak out as well!

I plan on reading your mentor bio. Just 'cause.

And Im SURE you're gonna get people. It's YOU.

Haha! Maybe RT it for me, too? ;)

i think as Qt'ers were at a disadvantage... since we can't Sub Falen or Spike...

Is Falen a mentor now? I haven't seen her in the mentor group...

But you guys will be fine. I think there are over 100 of us (not an exaggeration).
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 01, 2015, 02:30:03 PM

Haha! Maybe RT it for me, too? ;)
i think as Qt'ers were at a disadvantage... since we can't Sub Falen or Spike...

WILL DO

Quote

Is Falen a mentor now? I haven't seen her in the mentor group...

But you guys will be fine. I think there are over 100 of us (not an exaggeration).

I haven't seen Falen as a mentor. But since last time I entered there was 49 or so, this year being 100+ ups the odds considerably. I think QTers will be fine.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 01, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
i thought she was.... I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 01, 2015, 05:53:13 PM
Mentor bios go up on Monday! I think you guys will be happy with how many mentors and how much choice you'll have! The agent list is awesome, too.

And so you all know, most of the mentors are nervous, too. All us newbies so are terrified no one will sub to us. So, yeah, we freak out as well!

SO EXCITED!!! /ksdhflndscjsdnvckdjs!!!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 01, 2015, 06:20:00 PM
If any QT members get in I'm prolly gunna pee a little.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 01, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
well cradle you better be wearing depends then, cause you and I are getting in.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 01, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
At the least.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 01, 2015, 06:28:27 PM
If any QT members get in I'm prolly gunna pee a little.

You should probably get that checked. lol
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 01, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
Are you going to retroactively pee since I was in it last year?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 01, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Si Señor.


Edit: WTF.  Okkkaaay phone. I meant Senorita.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 01, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
Sexist phone is sexist
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 01, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 03, 2015, 08:40:56 AM
i thought she was.... I could be wrong.

Nah I'm not. I want to be at some point. I'm just drowning in work and deadlines right now so it was a no-go for me this year.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 03, 2015, 09:24:45 AM
Sarah, I hope you get to do it one year. You'd be an amazing mentor!

And....guys!!!  The mentor blog hop is LIVE! There are 108 of us, so lots of choice! And you get up to 5 picks this year!
http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/08/pitch-wars-mentor-blog-hop/


Mine is here, in case you wanted to check it out: http://samanthajoyce.com/home/pitch-wars-mentor-wishlist/

You are welcome to sub to me if I haven't critted your work on here (which is why I've kind of been avoiding critting lately).
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 03, 2015, 10:37:13 AM
   Hey All! I was doing a lot of twitter-hashtag-y research yesterday and came across this. It seems like something super cool to get involved with, and I have a completed MS that's only out to c few remaining agents so far (1 partial out, which I should hopefully hear back on before August 17th).

 I just wanted to ask, as I'm not on twitter, and have a very basic tumblr/no blog, if one needs to have a strong online presence to participate? Thanks so much! (: Kind of getting excited about this now.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 03, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
   Hey All! I was doing a lot of twitter-hashtag-y research yesterday and came across this. It seems like something super cool to get involved with, and I have a completed MS that's only out to c few remaining agents so far (1 partial out, which I should hopefully hear back on before August 17th).

 I just wanted to ask, as I'm not on twitter, and have a very basic tumblr/no blog, if one needs to have a strong online presence to participate? Thanks so much! (: Kind of getting excited about this now.

You don't NEED those things, but I recommend signing up for Twitter. I basically joined because of PW  a couple years ago and, as a writer, it's an invaluable tool. You'll have the support of other writers as you wait for results, you can learn more about the mentors and agents in the contest, plus there are always Twitter pitch contests. So, while its not a requirement to enter, I don't think there's a drawback to getting a Twitter account.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 03, 2015, 11:01:46 AM
This will be my first time participating in PW. I think it is a great thing and a wonderful service Brenda and all the mentors are providing to newbies like me. :clap:

What worries me, the same thing that worries some of the mentors, is what if no mentor wants to read my MS. I believe in my talent and my novel. :up: But I'm 0-9 in agent's responses. I'm beginning to think my novel, MIRROR, MIRROR... , is unmarketable. Then I'll self-publish like I've had to do with all my other work.

Does everyone who enters a MS get a mentor? (I sure hope so.) Anyway, if all the agents reject me, and all the mentors do also, that says a lot. :'(

Thanks in advance, JP   
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 03, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
 Sounds good! (: I'll sign up for one shortly in that case. I just hope I can figure out how to use it, and don't end up looking like a massive tool, haha.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 03, 2015, 11:16:26 AM
This will be my first time participating in PW. I think it is a great thing and a wonderful service Brenda and all the mentors are providing to newbies like me. :clap:

What worries me, the same thing that worries some of the mentors, is what if no mentor wants to read my MS. I believe in my talent and my novel. :up: But I'm 0-9 in agent's responses. I'm beginning to think my novel, MIRROR, MIRROR... , is unmarketable. Then I'll self-publish like I've had to do with all my other work.

Does everyone who enters a MS get a mentor? (I sure hope so.) Anyway, if all the agents reject me, and all the mentors do also, that says a lot. :'(

Thanks in advance, JP   

Not all who enter will get a mentor, unfortunately. There are 108 mentors. Last year they got 1200 unique subs. So, that's almost 10% of entrants who will end up with a mentor. It's TOUGH. But, I will say, if you embrace the competition, meet other writers, and make connections, you can't lose even if you don't get picked.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 03, 2015, 11:18:51 AM
Thanks SpikeBunny.  :clap:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 03, 2015, 12:13:06 PM
I will add, not getting picked for PW has no merit on the quality of your novel.

EG: I was picked only as an alternate two years ago, and that book sold in a pre-empt a few months later. I also tried to get into the Baker's Dozen Auction 2 times before I made it on my third attempt.

I believe Spike was only picked as an alternate in PW, too, and now she's got a book deal and is a mentor herself!

I think some MSs lend themselves easily to contests and some don't and there's no problem with that and it doesn't mean your MS is not good enough or anything like that. It most likely just means that there are only so many mentors and a lot of contestants.

But good luck!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 03, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
I will add, not getting picked for PW has no merit on the quality of your novel.

EG: I was picked only as an alternate two years ago, and that book sold in a pre-empt a few months later. I also tried to get into the Baker's Dozen Auction 2 times before I made it on my third attempt.

I believe Spike was only picked as an alternate in PW, too, and now she's got a book deal and is a mentor herself!

I think some MSs lend themselves easily to contests and some don't and there's no problem with that and it doesn't mean your MS is not good enough or anything like that. It most likely just means that there are only so many mentors and a lot of contestants.

But good luck!

 :agree:

And yup, I was only an alternate when I was in it, and did NOT get my agent that way. But I learned enough to make my next ms better, and that got me my agent in the regular old slush pile.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 03, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
~le me scrolling through the bios~

"Eh? Maybe. HUH? WHAT? Oh, okay. Wait, no. Sweet balls. Wait... nope. That's MG. Crap. What's this? Oooh! Crap that's MG again."

*scrolls more*

"That's cool. *ping* Saving that one. Oh, he looks cool... wait. Aw. THAT MEANS I HAVE TWO SPOTS LEFT. Crap... Uh, uh, uh... Moooooommm??? HALPPP!"

*saves one then realized I picked like ten*

*ends up like having twenty and has to cut some down to five*

"CRAP! BUT SHE'S SO FREAKIN' CHILL THO. But, but--"

~dies~
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 03, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
I finished going thru the bios of mentors and I have 15 to pitch to.

Thanks for the encouragement SpikeBunny and Sarah (I see I'm not the only QT to use their real name.)

JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 03, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
If you guys post who you're thinking about, we can tell you who's cool and who's not cool. (JK. Everyone's cool.)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 03, 2015, 02:15:31 PM
If you guys post who you're thinking about, we can tell you who's cool and who's not cool. (JK. Everyone's cool.)

HAH!!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 03, 2015, 02:51:20 PM
Pretty sure I've got 4 mentors decided, but it's tough because the 5th spot is between 6 people. Ugh!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 03, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
I'm considering doing it this year...
Debating whether to use the older MS that's completely ready to go, but doesn't feel as good as the one I just finished, or the new one, that while completed, still needs a good query and synopsis and final touches.

I'm currently going through all the mentors and after making it through half of them, I've only found a small handful that are even taking on either genre. A lot of MG and YA though. Too bad I just cannot write that genre. Thus far, the possibilities are not looking promising.

I'm bookmarking any that even vaguely say they're taking on either genre, then I'll go back and really read their pages to see what they're looking for and make a decision based on that.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 03, 2015, 04:07:18 PM
Arawick that was me last year...

I only got to do the quick narrow down this morning (it'a a holiday in Canada so we took the kiddies to the Zoo)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 03, 2015, 07:35:15 PM
Pretty sure I've got 4 mentors decided, but it's tough because the 5th spot is between 6 people. Ugh!

This is me too - 4 decided and the 5th spot is between 2 not sure which one to pick yet.  I'm still not even sure I'm entering but it was very motivating and exciting to read through all the bios! So maybe!  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 03, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
uh...

i was narrowing my list a little and wondering if anyone else saw this?  I can't help but feel mildy insulted by this line on JC Nelson's page...

" If you have a heartwarming YA middle grade erotic picture book, feel free to look at the other mentors. I’m here for the big boys and girls and looking for a story aimed at them."

first off I think a middle grade erotic picture book would basically be kiddie porn, but hey, yeah that's not insulting...  and his follow up line seems a bit condescending...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 03, 2015, 08:41:52 PM
 I just figured they were trying to be upbeat and funny--I don't think it was intended as condescension.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 03, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
I thought the same, but it stuck with me and keeps turning over in my head.

the line even leading into this one was good and funny, IDK just the one two punch of a very poorly dropped line followed by something so condescending...  either way he's looking for NA and A which isn't me.  I hope his mentee does well.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 03, 2015, 09:29:19 PM
Well it just makes finding the right mentor for you that much easier when you narrow it down,  falthor.

I think they are all awesome, tbh. But I have nothing against anyone personally if they aren't my writerly type. I am picking mentors by what best fits my manuscript.  Like one was pretty freaking awesome but hated curse words and sex. Not a good fit.  I don't want somebody passing out when I say balls. Or dolphin rape.  Or fanny.  *snort snort *
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 03, 2015, 09:42:28 PM
I don't want somebody passing out when I say balls. Or dolphin rape.  Or fanny.  *snort snort *

This makes me so sad you can't sub to me, lol. I hope I get a sub with all these.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 03, 2015, 10:11:15 PM
Oh I'm sure you will. And you'll get a badass mentee with just as much badassary that you have. Check it. It's happening. It's going down for reeeaaaal.

*cues dropbeat music*

Now I just have to narrow down my list of fifteen mentors to torture submit to down to five.

*shifty eyes*

WHO SAID THAT?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 03, 2015, 10:25:40 PM
I haven't had a chance to go through my shortlist...   2 of my characters have decided that they have potty mouths, so I hope that doesn't turn people off.

As well I think there is going to be a hell of a lot more than Kissing and heavy petting in here as well. Ashley's out for more that just humiliation this time.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 04, 2015, 06:16:44 AM
 My list is much more manageable! Of the adult mentors, only a few wanted fantasy, and out of them only a few didn't explicitly state they hated books with character death/bad things happening to children, haha.

 Less to choose form for me, but the ones I do plan to submit to I'm really excited about. (:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on August 04, 2015, 07:14:55 AM
CrawlingChaos, it's the same for me! I haven't gone through nearly all the blogs yet, but so far I've only found two mentors who want adult fantasy--and yes, I noted the one with the "no bad things happening to children" caveat. My story isn't grimdark by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have a child character who dies.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 04, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
 Same here! I think I'm just too between sub-genres. Mine isn't grimdark either, but it's definitely adult (it opens with a baby being burnt alive....)

 I have the additional problem (it seems) that it also has a rape scene, as well as a character who suffered physical abuse from her husband in the past. I don't think I treat either subject cheaply, but I'm afraid to follow up with any of the mentors on twitter about it, lest people get the wrong impression of the story/lest I upset someone who has a serious reaction to that kind of thing. :/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 04, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
Totally follow up with mentors on Twitter if you have questions! We don't bite! In fact, some were sad no one reached out to ask them stuff. I had a few questions yesterday, and everyone was lovely! One girl was even upset cause not a single mentor posted they wanted her genre on their blogs. We asked her what she had, and like four of us started fighting for her to sub to us, lol!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 04, 2015, 10:10:10 AM
Same here! I think I'm just too between sub-genres. Mine isn't grimdark either, but it's definitely adult (it opens with a baby being burnt alive....)

 I have the additional problem (it seems) that it also has a rape scene, as well as a character who suffered physical abuse from her husband in the past. I don't think I treat either subject cheaply, but I'm afraid to follow up with any of the mentors on twitter about it, lest people get the wrong impression of the story/lest I upset someone who has a serious reaction to that kind of thing. :/

I love how, in fantasy, "babies burnt alive" doesn't qualify a book as grimdark.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 04, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
 GCKatz: Ahaha. That was the best. But it is so, so true.

 As a note, not claiming my book isn't dark, it's just not all "Grrrr, stabby stabby!!" or full of man-pain (everyone is in pain equally).


 SpiketheBunny: Oh no! Poor person! I feel like it's early days though. I know I have a billion questions for everybody on my list, but I only barely know how to use twitter, and also am the shiest person alive (/most hyperbolic).

 I'll definitely try and ask people in that case! Maybe tag several of the authors in one post?

 Thanks for the encouragement! (:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 04, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
Same here! I think I'm just too between sub-genres. Mine isn't grimdark either, but it's definitely adult (it opens with a baby being burnt alive....)

 I have the additional problem (it seems) that it also has a rape scene, as well as a character who suffered physical abuse from her husband in the past. I don't think I treat either subject cheaply, but I'm afraid to follow up with any of the mentors on twitter about it, lest people get the wrong impression of the story/lest I upset someone who has a serious reaction to that kind of thing. :/

You are a writer, don't be afraid to upset some people.  You are supposed to.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 04, 2015, 11:09:49 AM
 Asked questions--got lovely answers! The mentors are all so nice. D:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 04, 2015, 11:25:49 AM
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You are a writer, don't be afraid to upset some people.  You are supposed to.

As far as readers go, yes, but it's really important to have a mentor (and an agent) who's on the same page as you about your book. Otherwise you'll spend two months arguing back and forth as they try to make your book into something you don't want it to be and nobody will be happy. IMO, finding a mentor who has the same attitude as you is more important than finding one who's looking for your exact kind of book.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 04, 2015, 11:36:38 AM
Attitude - good point gc.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 04, 2015, 12:06:07 PM

As far as readers go, yes, but it's really important to have a mentor (and an agent) who's on the same page as you about your book. Otherwise you'll spend two months arguing back and forth as they try to make your book into something you don't want it to be and nobody will be happy. IMO, finding a mentor who has the same attitude as you is more important than finding one who's looking for your exact kind of book.

 Yeah, this is how I felt. I mean, an ordinary reader can pick a book off the shelf and decide for themselves whether to take a chance on something, but I feel like with this, if a mentor explicitly states they get bothered by rape scenes, and you send them a manuscript that has a rape scene but don't tell them, then you're just being a jerk to someone who's offered their help.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 04, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Well, guess I know which story to use - the newer one.

After going through every single mentor blog, there is only one mentor taking the first story's genre (who doesn't say "no" to certain elements). For the newer story, there are only four mentors taking the genre who gave t said an emphatic "no" to certain story elements.

So much for narrowing things down...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 04, 2015, 01:15:35 PM
I'm a mentor!!! I'm so freaking excited!

PS: I can't vote for anyone I know (so you guys can't sub to me if I know you on here), but I can certainly cheer you all on!

Saw your mentor profile and died a little! You're the first one I came across that wanted NA. Made me cry inside, lol! But super happy for you to be a mentor!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on August 04, 2015, 01:59:57 PM
Mine isn't grimdark either, but it's definitely adult (it opens with a baby being burnt alive....)

Yike! I feel confident I'm certainly not grimdark, then. ;D My character's death is rather tame in comparison.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 04, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 04, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.

I'm not Spike but I think you'll be okay. I figure that CP was an anamoly. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 04, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.

You should sub to Marieke.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 04, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.

You should sub to Marieke.

I second this. I am pals with Marieke. She's read two of my manuscripts. She's awesome.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 04, 2015, 06:45:02 PM
 :ninja:
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.

You should sub to Marieke.

I second this. I am pals with Marieke. She's read two of my manuscripts. She's awesome.

Yes! What everyone else has said! I think that one person was an anomaly. Marieke is awesome, and Jessie Devine would be ecstatic, too. But I know I personally would never hold a writer's sexuality against them as a reason not to say yes. I don't even intend on asking that of my subs. They can share what they want. All I care about is good writing and a cool person. I could care less who they are and aren't into.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 04, 2015, 08:18:05 PM
This is probably the dumbest question in the world, so I'm going to ask it here instead of on Twitter. 

Spike,

When mentors say LGTBQ friendly in terms of manuscript and diversity, does that mean they are LGTBQ author friendly as well?

I'm only asking due to a recent run in with a CP (who is no longer my CP) where they were ok with a trans character, but sort of flipped out when they found out I was a trans author. It wasn't good. X can tell you.  It sort of put me off from writing The Zero Maker for awhile.

Again, dumb question. Still sort of... well, I guess you can say butthurt about the whole ordeal.

Totally off topic, but... WTF?
So it's ok to write about characters who go outside the binary, heteronormative box, but you can't actually be outside that box?
What?

I tend to agree with others here - most people who are willing to accept stories that involve LGTBQ characters are likely to be ok with an author who's also LGTBQ. And if someone doesn't? Well... Stupid comes all favors, now don't it?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 04, 2015, 08:37:47 PM

Totally off topic, but... WTF?
So it's ok to write about characters who go outside the binary, heteronormative box, but you can't actually be outside that box?
What?

I tend to agree with others here - most people who are willing to accept stories that involve LGTBQ characters are likely to be ok with an author who's also LGTBQ. And if someone doesn't? Well... Stupid comes all favors, now don't it?

Right??? It's baffling.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 04, 2015, 08:46:20 PM

Totally off topic, but... WTF?
So it's ok to write about characters who go outside the binary, heteronormative box, but you can't actually be outside that box?
What?

I tend to agree with others here - most people who are willing to accept stories that involve LGTBQ characters are likely to be ok with an author who's also LGTBQ. And if someone doesn't? Well... Stupid comes all favors, now don't it?

Right??? It's baffling.

That's a far more polite term than I would have used, but yeah... let's go with "baffling".
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 04, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
yeah I'm okay with pretend characters in your fiction book being LGBTQ but not you..

uh...   Suck it you fascist douche...

weirdo.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 04, 2015, 09:02:12 PM
Yea it is baffling. Can I be honest here? Like honestly honest about what I think happened ?

I think he was subconsciously popping a boney thinking there was going to be chick on chick action.  Then he found out that wasn't the case. Then he found out I sort of considered myself both genders as well as my MC and he gave me this huge ass speech about how uncomfortable he was that I read his work and just... I don't know. I really don't.  I messaged X immediately and tried to figure out if I did something wrong but we agreed I didn't. 

All I know was that it was utter bullsh**. Then family drama followed about me coming out as gender queer and pansexual, so I'm still a bit sensitive and double checking EVERYTHING now. 

Sorry. Way off topic. But that's why I asked.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 05, 2015, 01:49:12 AM
In my official opinion, that sounds like a rubbish person. His opinions are bad and he should feel bad. IME, I don't know any proper writers who are like that (this guy sounds more like Guy In Your MFA), and if there was one in Pitch Wars, I think Brenda would eject him if she found out, because they are held to a high standard of civility.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 05, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
Same here! I think I'm just too between sub-genres. Mine isn't grimdark either, but it's definitely adult (it opens with a baby being burnt alive....)

 I have the additional problem (it seems) that it also has a rape scene, as well as a character who suffered physical abuse from her husband in the past. I don't think I treat either subject cheaply, but I'm afraid to follow up with any of the mentors on twitter about it, lest people get the wrong impression of the story/lest I upset someone who has a serious reaction to that kind of thing. :/

I have a dark YA fantasy, and I found 3 mentors for sure who were like "GIMME DARK FANTASY" (Paraphrased, but, you know). Mine is pretty dark so I was happy at least 3 wanted dark fantasy. I found more who were looking for fantasy but I guess they can decide if it's too dark for them.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 05, 2015, 12:18:44 PM
 That sounds awful! ): Hopefully I won't run into anyone like that.

 I know I mention my own queerness in my queries (it seems like a selling point to me that if you're writing queer characters, you are queer yourself), so maybe try mentioning that (not for their sake, but to save yourself such a bad experience).
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 05, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
I just went through the full list of mentors ... all 108 of them.  I finally flagged seven potential mentors, and three of those are a stretch.  I just might skip this one.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 05, 2015, 02:37:18 PM
It's weird to me that so many of you are having trouble finding mentors who are a good fit. Last year I had it down to seven and absolutely could not get the list shorter, and there were half as many mentors and I was writing a less popular genre. What's the issue?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 05, 2015, 02:42:19 PM
I haven't had a chance to look them over yet actually...   I got it down to 22 based on category alone.   I know 3 or so actually jumped out at me in my cursory pass, but I haven't tried to narrow any further.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 05, 2015, 02:46:39 PM
GCKatz:

 I don't know about other people, but for my part a lot of it's that out of the adult mentors not all wanted fantasy, and out of those a lot of them were more into magical realism. Once I found some I thought were a really good fit there was the additional problem that some of them specifically mentioned they prefer not to read books with major character death/bad things happening to children, etc.

 After messaging a few people on twitter though, most clarified that they were okay with those things up to a certain point, and encouraged me to submit, so I likewise encourage people to ask away! All the mentors who've answered me have been very polite and helpful.

*fingers crossed*
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 05, 2015, 03:31:06 PM
It's weird to me that so many of you are having trouble finding mentors who are a good fit. Last year I had it down to seven and absolutely could not get the list shorter, and there were half as many mentors and I was writing a less popular genre. What's the issue?

There are quite a few for MG and YA, fewer for Adult genres - and of those, most are being very specific about their wants/not wants.

I've got two pieces I could use - both are adult fiction.
One is sci-fi/dystopian and has a touch of romance - enough that I wouldn't query someone who says DO NOT send romance.
The second is romantic thriller and has thematic elements that put it out of the running for several of the adult mentors, and since the romance is key to the plot, out of the running for mentors who say "no romance".

Out of 100 mentors (there are 108 listed because several are co-mentoring) there is only one who would be appropriate for the sci-fi/dystopian piece, and four who would be appropriate for the romantic thriller.

Many of the mentors who do list my genres also list specific things they do not want to see - and unfortunately, my stories have many of those elements.

Though it's frustrating to find so few to choose from, I'm glad they were that specific. I would hate to go through the time and effort to put everything out there, and the hoping, if the mentor I chose because they listed "romantic thriller" was going to take one look at my work and discard it for certain plot elements.

There are certainly themes and elements I can't stand and actively avoid, so it makes total sense. If you hate something, or it makes you uncomfortable, you're not going to be all that great at mentoring someone whose work hinges on those things.


Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 05, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
There are quite a few for MG and YA, fewer for Adult genres - and of those, most are being very specific about their wants/not wants.


 :agree:

Some went into ridiculous detail well beyond age/genre/subgenre.  And some had a long list of things they did not want to see.

I just reviewed the seven "finalists" and had to remove three more...that leaves four with two still a stretch.  Oh well...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 05, 2015, 03:50:18 PM
hey, you only need one to apply to.

you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least send it in to these 4 that you think would be a good fit.   That's not confidence, that's making sure you are not wasting other people's time.   But realistically you are read, and your book is ready, why wouldn't you throw it out there as many ways as possible and see who takes a bite?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 05, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
I'm writing in the Adult genre and I have 13 possibles, and one of those I really like. :up: I'm going to use gcKatz's suggestion and use "attitude" to whittle down my final list. :yes:

This is so exciting and I'm so happy to participate. :) After this is over, whether I get a mentor or not, I'm going to buy one of Brenda's books. :clap:

Pardon all the emotocons. I've never used them before, stuffy me, and now I find myself overloading on them.

Good luck to all of you. Here's hoping we all get mentors.
JP 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 05, 2015, 04:05:02 PM
Oh yeah, there are always fewer options if you write adult. But then, there's less competition, too. Last year nearly half the submissions were YA. If you write YA fantasy, for instance, you'll have lots of mentors to pick, but you have to compete with the hundreds of other YA fantasy entries. It's really worth trying even if you only pick one mentor.

RKarina: Are you pitching Dan Koboldt? I think of him as the final word in adult sci-fi. (Also I'm stealing the above data (http://dankoboldt.com/lessons-numbers-pitchwars/) from him.) I wouldn't worry too much about people who say "no romance" if you have a romance subplot; I think they mostly mean "nothing in the actual full-on romance genre" not "nothing with a love interest." Because the latter would rule out practically everything. (But of course you know your manuscript and I don't.) (Everyone do tell me to shut up if I'm acting like an insufferable know-it-all. I just like this contest and want everyone to participate.)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 05, 2015, 04:22:37 PM
I think that's good info to share gckatz. Keep sharing it. :)

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 05, 2015, 04:29:12 PM
hey, you only need one to apply to.

you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least send it in to these 4 that you think would be a good fit.   That's not confidence, that's making sure you are not wasting other people's time.   But realistically you are read, and your book is ready, why wouldn't you throw it out there as many ways as possible and see who takes a bite?

I know - if I submit it will only be to the two who are a good fit (and neither of them is perfect).  Anything else would be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 05, 2015, 04:32:05 PM
GCKatz:

 Not at all! Give me all the knowledge. D:


 Super pumped for this--the more I read from the mentors I did find, the more I think we have lots in common.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 05, 2015, 04:44:37 PM
Oh yeah, there are always fewer options if you write adult. But then, there's less competition, too. Last year nearly half the submissions were YA. If you write YA fantasy, for instance, you'll have lots of mentors to pick, but you have to compete with the hundreds of other YA fantasy entries. It's really worth trying even if you only pick one mentor.

RKarina: Are you pitching Dan Koboldt? I think of him as the final word in adult sci-fi. (Also I'm <a href="http://dankoboldt.com/lessons-numbers-pitchwars/">stealing the above data</a> from him.) I wouldn't worry too much about people who say "no romance" if you have a romance subplot; I think they mostly mean "nothing in the actual full-on romance genre" not "nothing with a love interest." Because the latter would rule out practically everything. (But of course you know your manuscript and I don't.) (Everyone do tell me to shut up if I'm acting like an insufferable know-it-all. I just like this contest and want everyone to participate.)

Not telling you to shut up - not at all!

And yeah, I would think the same on romance. While I might be able to get away with it on the sci-fi one, there is no way I could on the thriller. :wink:
I haven't decided yet what I'm going to do - the sci-fi piece has one (yep, Dan) I could definitely pitch (assuming his idea of "no romance" is flexible enough to accept a strong romantic subplot), and a long-long-long shot second.
Though he will take thrillers, I don't feel he'd be a good fit for a romantic-thriller - he's pretty clear about no romance, or women's fiction (most of my stuff kind of straddles that line).

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 05, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
Question: Was Dan the one who tweeted his wouldn't have any gifs in his bio because "Gifs are for teenagers"

It kinda put me off. What's so bad about being a teenager...

Wonder how he'd feel about one entering PitchWars...

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 05, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
Ugh I'm like insanely nervous. 'Specially cause I've been reading my choices' books and I'm like HOW AM I GOING TO FOLLOW THAT?

They are so freaking good, man.

*hides under a rock*

ALSO--

If anyone here needs to swap synopses I am SO GAME!! (but I can't get to it until tomorrow)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 05, 2015, 04:56:27 PM
once I get mine up again I'll let you know Cradle, I gotta stomp it down a little.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 05, 2015, 04:58:16 PM
Ugh I'm like insanely nervous. 'Specially cause I've been reading my choices' books and I'm like HOW AM I GOING TO FOLLOW THAT?

They are so freaking good, man.

*hides under a rock*

ALSO--

If anyone here needs to swap synopses I am SO GAME!! (but I can't get to it until tomorrow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ygcl_DQ-Q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ygcl_DQ-Q4)

You okay you okay. You fine you fine.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 05, 2015, 04:58:41 PM
once I get mine up again I'll let you know Cradle, I gotta stomp it down a little.

That statement fits your avatar beautifully!   ;D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Aubrey on August 05, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
Jumping into say that the contest gives you five mentors to pick, and so I'd pick five. I entered my now-trunked YA fantasy a couple years ago. Problem was, I found out about Pitch Wars two days before the submission window opened. I hardly had time to read bios and ended up picking four people who, after the contest, I read more about and probably wouldn't have picked. Point is that I got constructive feedback on query and first chapter from three of the four. Not all mentors provide feedback, but why deny your chance of the opportunity by limiting your picks? If they don't like it, they don't like it. Nothing lost.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 05, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
 Cradle: I'd be up for synopsis swapping! I'm even worse at those than queries....
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 05, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
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Question: Was Dan the one who tweeted his wouldn't have any gifs in his bio because "Gifs are for teenagers"

It kinda put me off. What's so bad about being a teenager...

Wonder how he'd feel about one entering PitchWars...

Dan definitely wouldn't be the right pick for you. (Or for me even, for that matter.) He's very different from the average mentor (male, somewhat older, writes hard sci-fi, is a scientist, etc) and he tends to play that up. I don't think he means to be disparaging but it certainly comes across that way.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 05, 2015, 05:47:12 PM
Dan definitely wouldn't be the right pick for you. (Or for me even, for that matter.) He's very different from the average mentor (male, somewhat older, writes hard sci-fi, is a scientist, etc) and he tends to play that up. I don't think he means to be disparaging but it certainly comes across that way.

Yeah...I felt like replying "What's so wrong with teenagers? Do you have a problem with teenage writers?"

It did feel disparaging.

But yeah, no, he didn't seem like the right kinda pick for me. Besides, I write fantasy.

IDK why he would want to play that up. I don't play being 19 years old and a writer up. Though maybe that'd be different if I was agented.

*shrug*

Either way, hope he finds some nice mentee.

Attitude is definitely important in your choice. I'd hate to be with someone off-putting. Agent or mentor. There were a few agents who I put on my "do not query" list because I just knew we'd never mesh.

Although some of them also dislike teen writers.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 05, 2015, 06:47:07 PM
Yeah, a little annoying with the "teenager" attitude - I can think of much better descriptors.

Frankly, I found the use of multiple gifs in several posts annoying and unprofessional looking.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 05, 2015, 06:49:47 PM
Yeah, a little annoying with the "teenager" attitude - I can think of much better descriptors.

Frankly, I found the use of multiple gifs in several posts annoying and unprofessional looking.

I worry about being a teenage writer a lot due to the general attitude some people have about teenagers.

Also; I like gifs as long as they don't freeze my computer.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 06, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
For the record - Dan was quick to respond on Twitter, and nice.
I was right, however, he's not interested in any romantic element to speak of.
Guess that answers that question!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on August 06, 2015, 02:03:13 PM
I know you can't query or participate in other contests during Pitch Wars, but what happens if you get an offer from an outstanding submission in that time? Can you withdraw? (If this has been addressed already and I missed it, I apologize.)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 06, 2015, 02:18:50 PM
yes, you respectfully withdraw.

not sure if it was covered here or not but i know Brenda Drake answered this one on the site itself.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 06, 2015, 05:05:58 PM
I am shamelessly Twitter-stalking and courting my top five choices.
Really there are two who I could flip a coin between and the other three are good, but not quite as awesome seeming a fit.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 06, 2015, 05:14:18 PM
I still haven't narrowed them down...   the re-write is blazing along but I still want to get that done... 

Speaking of I should have an edited version of my first chapter up again tonight (lots of grammar and other issues fixed from my Twitter pal) I think it reads a hell of a lot smoother. 

then I have to get my synopsis in shape...  then I'll think about narrowing them down.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 06, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
I completed a decent review/revise based on some beta feedback. Did a major clean up and I'm working through crutch words. Other than that, I'm calling the MS itself done.

The synopsis is killing me though. Seriously killing me.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 06, 2015, 05:37:52 PM
synopses are the devil's work
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 06, 2015, 05:40:53 PM
I'd rather write queries for everything I ever write ever whether or not I get an agent than write a 1 page synopsis.

If anyone needs synopsis help, though, I'll lend a hand. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: FlyingViking on August 06, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
I struggled with them until I found this - I found it incredibly helpful.  Warning - obviously spoiler alerts if you haven't seen the movies:

http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/guide-to-literary-agents/synopsis-writing
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 06, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
I struggled with them until I found this - I found it incredibly helpful.  Warning - obviously spoiler alerts if you haven't seen the movies:

http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/guide-to-literary-agents/synopsis-writing

Oooh! Something like that helped me write my first synopsis.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 06, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I struggled with them until I found this - I found it incredibly helpful.  Warning - obviously spoiler alerts if you haven't seen the movies:

http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/guide-to-literary-agents/synopsis-writing

Oh that's cool!
I've seen the Star Wars one, but this is new to me.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 06, 2015, 06:54:09 PM
You might also want to try this site, RKarina: http://www.publishingcrawl.com/2012/04/17/how-to-write-a-1-page-synopsis/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 06, 2015, 07:41:49 PM
Hey guys! Going on live on Twitter is a live round of mentors telling about what they like and don't like about the first chapter of a book. Really worth the watch/listen!

http://whiskeywinewriting.com/2015/08/05/pitchwars-special-naa-yaa-mentors/

Here's the link! Go now!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 06, 2015, 08:07:17 PM
You might also want to try this site, RKarina: http://www.publishingcrawl.com/2012/04/17/how-to-write-a-1-page-synopsis/

Yep I've seen that one around a bit. Always good.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 07, 2015, 10:26:24 PM
I'm 3 pages in, single spaced, and I'm only halfway through with my synopsis.  :no:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 07, 2015, 10:27:31 PM
that's a good start...   get it all done, and then gut it.  easiest way to get a coherent 1-2 page synopsis.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gogo5358 on August 08, 2015, 10:06:29 AM
I wish I could do pitch wars this year, but I none of my ms are ready or finished.  :( I'll just have to hope I can do it next year.

I wish all of you guys participating every possible piece of luck possible!! (Both with Pitch Wars and with your synopsis!)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 08, 2015, 06:07:54 PM
Synopsis up...  just a little over one page Single spaced...   please check it out and comment.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 08, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
I feel like I've been working on my synopsis for days - it's still a little over a page.    I have a question about the query - if I've self-published, do you think this should be mentioned in the query? 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 08, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
yes. 

although it can be a double edged sword.   If you self published and the sales were good that is a good thing.  if you self published and the sales were bad.. well...

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 08, 2015, 09:50:50 PM
I have a question about the query - if I've self-published, do you think this should be mentioned in the query? 

If you've self-published that manuscript, then you shouldn't be entering it at all (but I assume you know that). Otherwise, don't mention it unless you've won a major award and/or are a huge bestseller. Otherwise it doesn't say anything about you one way or the other.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 09, 2015, 12:05:30 AM
Ummm so I have a good Q, lol. 

I still haven't narrowed down my list because I've been so busy lately. But I have ten. Now I have eleven options today. 

A mentor tweeted she updated her wish list and now is open to horror (which she seems pretty cool about). She seems like an awesome mentor (and so does the other mentor who is co-mentoring with her)  , and I know she would be,  because she picked me for her team for Pitch Madness earlier this year. So I know she is awesome,  and know she is enthusiastic and she was really complimentary with Ashes on Brady Street.

Problem is I don't know if it is against the rules to submit to her.  I would be submitting a completely different project, but still.

What should I do here? I can submit elsewhere to prevent any future headaches, but she's been a great teammate in the past, and she's pretty amazeballs. (Sarah I stole your word/adjective!)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Aubrey on August 09, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
It's not against the rules. Some mentors (like Michelle, who is mentoring Adult this time) says in their bio that if they selected you for another contest for the same MS not to submit because they want to give others a chance. If there's nothing like that, you can submit. A bunch of mentors have asked friends they already CP for to submit to others since they already receive their help, but if this mentor hasn't read your entire MS or been a CP, you're good. (And it sounds like she hasn't, as it's a different MS anyway.)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 09, 2015, 12:56:14 AM
Okay, thank you - I will leave it out - the MS for PitchWars is a new one.   
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: MichelleG on August 09, 2015, 04:00:08 AM
I struggled with them until I found this - I found it incredibly helpful.  Warning - obviously spoiler alerts if you haven't seen the movies:

http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/guide-to-literary-agents/synopsis-writing

I like how they put up a synopsis for a remake - how about "Synopsis - See the original version"
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 09, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
Kimberly Afe...  and everyone generally...

here's a cool little article on things you should include in the BIO part of your query.  That should answer your question.

http://www.firstnovelsclub.com/2013/08/QueryLetterBioSection.html (http://www.firstnovelsclub.com/2013/08/QueryLetterBioSection.html)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 09, 2015, 01:47:55 PM
Thanks for passing this along, Falthor. I'm going to say that I'm a roofer banging nails in Colorado Springs in touch with his feminine side. :cheer: (I'm writing WF)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 09, 2015, 04:15:08 PM
Thanks Falthor, that's a great article on what to include and what not to include.  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 09, 2015, 04:34:38 PM
Cradle, I see no issue with subbing a different ms to her. I think you're fine.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 10, 2015, 03:40:27 PM
Thank you Spike and Aubrey !

Did anyone do a mentee bio?

I did.

http://thedreadedwriter.blogspot.com/?m=1

Does it suck? Yay ? Nay ?

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 10, 2015, 03:42:33 PM
No time yet.  still waist deep in my re-write.  i should finish on time but everything else is kind of just going by the wayside at this point.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 10, 2015, 06:39:22 PM
I love your mentee bio Cradle!  And oh my goodness, you're just a babe. (as in a young):  :)  Your MS sounds so good, and freaking scary!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 10, 2015, 06:52:47 PM
I like your cupcake gif Cradle!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 10, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
Thank you guys. 

I unfortunately think I might have to drop out of pitch wars.

Some things came up.  Usual family drama, bills, school, personal things, etc.  It breaks my heart.  But I have too much going on right now that I seriously don't know how I am going to handle it.  :(

My stress level is at a ten and the next few weeks are going to be hell. 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 10, 2015, 07:31:36 PM
Thank you guys. 

I unfortunately think I might have to drop out of pitch wars.

Some things came up.  Usual family drama, bills, school, personal things, etc.  It breaks my heart.  But I have too much going on right now that I seriously don't know how I am going to handle it.  :(

:hug: I'm sorry. I hope things work out.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 10, 2015, 07:45:45 PM
Boourns!

that really does suck though.  hopfully things will clear up for you and you can still pitch.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Aubrey on August 10, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Cradle, that's sad to hear!! I don't know your situation, so this might not make a difference, but remember that after you send the one email in with your submission, you don't do anything until September 2. Sure, if a mentor asks you to forward your full, you do, but that's it. There's no mentoring or anything going on. Plus, if you do receive notice on Sept. 2 that you're chosen and life is still in the way (which happens), you can always bow out then. This way at least you put yourself out there to receive feedback from five mentors if you're not selected. (Most say they'll drop a line about what didn't work for them, so you'd be getting some feedback.)

Sorry for butting in, but it's such a great opportunity to get feedback on a query and your manuscript that I wanted to recap the timeline for you. Good luck.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 10, 2015, 08:17:56 PM
Thanks all.  And Aubrey.  My head isn't in the game I guess.  I can hardly focus with so much negativity in my life.

I think I just need a breathe for a couple of days and think on it tbh. 

Again, thank you.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 11, 2015, 08:20:00 AM
You just do whatever is best for you, Cradle, and forget the rest. :)



P.S. I have my 5 mentors, but when we submit to them, does the form specify if one takes precedence over the other. If I really want someone as #1, do I have a choice to make that person my first pick, or is it all equal?

P.P.S. Am I at a disadvantage if I don't have a mentee blog/Twitter?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 11, 2015, 09:55:21 AM
Arawick.  no way to say whose your number one...   if multiple mentors ask for your submission you just get to pick.

mentee blog likely would help cause it gives the mentors something more to base their decision on.   Personally I don't have time for one, I'm going to come in under the wire as it is anyway.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 11, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
You just do whatever is best for you, Cradle, and forget the rest. :)



P.S. I have my 5 mentors, but when we submit to them, does the form specify if one takes precedence over the other. If I really want someone as #1, do I have a choice to make that person my first pick, or is it all equal?

P.P.S. Am I at a disadvantage if I don't have a mentee blog/Twitter?

The form let's you specify 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but it doesn't mean you are entering them as your first pick, etc. Your form automatically goes to all 5 mentors and they don't know if your numbering was just random or one is your first choice. But if two of your picks choose you, you will be given the choice between them.

And you don't need a mentee bio. Those are just fun extras.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 11, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
One of the adult mentors is hosting a pitch workshop type thing - post your super-short pitch for critique.
https://margaritamontimore.wordpress.com/workshop-your-hook-here/

From what I've seen - if selected as a mentee, the agent round will require a short pitch as well as the query and whatnot.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: sparklyunicorn on August 11, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
Yes if you get picked as a mentee, you and your mentor create a 35-word pitch together and then insert the first 250 words of your first page. Good luck all who enter, and BIG HUGS Cradle, so sorry about all that stuff :(
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 11, 2015, 04:30:45 PM
I just took a look at the agents. Besides the agents who currently have my MS, they have a bunch I never sent to. Ha!

Oh well, not my contest. Maybe I'll cold query if I feel like it later.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 11, 2015, 06:02:13 PM
I'm sad to hear that Cradle - I hope everything smooths out for you soon!  And there's always querying when you're ready.  :)

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 12, 2015, 11:24:53 AM
You just do whatever is best for you, Cradle, and forget the rest. :)



P.S. I have my 5 mentors, but when we submit to them, does the form specify if one takes precedence over the other. If I really want someone as #1, do I have a choice to make that person my first pick, or is it all equal?

P.P.S. Am I at a disadvantage if I don't have a mentee blog/Twitter?

The form let's you specify 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but it doesn't mean you are entering them as your first pick, etc. Your form automatically goes to all 5 mentors and they don't know if your numbering was just random or one is your first choice. But if two of your picks choose you, you will be given the choice between them.

And you don't need a mentee bio. Those are just fun extras.

Thanks Spike!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 12, 2015, 12:37:47 PM
*takes deep breath*

"Cradle, you move out in two days. Two days. TWO DAYS. TWWWWWWOOOOOO DAYYYYYYS. YOU CAN MAKE IT UNTIL THEM AND excommunicate yourself from those that would rather see you fail."

Eh em.

I'm back in the game. Had a bit of craziness for a second. I thought it would eat up all my attention but it won't let it.

Thank you all. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 12, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
Anyone willing to swap synopses? Mine needs to be cut. Like big time. I can't figure out what to let go...

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 12, 2015, 12:55:28 PM
*takes deep breath*

"Cradle, you move out in two days. Two days. TWO DAYS. TWWWWWWOOOOOO DAYYYYYYS. YOU CAN MAKE IT UNTIL THEM AND excommunicate yourself from those that would rather see you fail."

Eh em.

I'm back in the game. Had a bit of craziness for a second. I thought it would eat up all my attention but it won't let it.

Thank you all. :)

You're gonna be alright, Cradle. :) You'll survive the craziness. You're strong stuff.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 12, 2015, 01:19:17 PM
*takes deep breath*

"Cradle, you move out in two days. Two days. TWO DAYS. TWWWWWWOOOOOO DAYYYYYYS. YOU CAN MAKE IT UNTIL THEM AND excommunicate yourself from those that would rather see you fail."

Eh em.

I'm back in the game. Had a bit of craziness for a second. I thought it would eat up all my attention but it won't let it.

Thank you all. :)


Great job, girl!!!! yay!!!! Sometimes, you have to shut down and reboot, so good for you! Would help with a synopsis, but I don't have one penned yet. Still working on this query thing. Lol!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 12, 2015, 01:50:24 PM
Anyone willing to swap synopses? Mine needs to be cut. Like big time. I can't figure out what to let go...



I can check it out.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 12, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
I'll give you eyes on it. Mine it up on the site right niw.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 13, 2015, 10:29:07 AM
 Is anyone else starting to feel ridiculously anxious about this? Trying to keep my spirits/energy up. D:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 13, 2015, 10:42:05 AM
I am. Because I'm feeling slightly unconfident because not a lot of mentors were looking for YA horror. 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 13, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
Well, just remember guys, if you don't get picked, nothing has changed. You're still right where you were before. You can still query all those agents who will be participating.

I know it sucks not getting picked for an awesome contest (I wasn't picked for 2 Baker's Dozens before I finally got in on the third one) but really, the vast VAST majority of people land agents the old-fashioned way, by querying and getting picked out of the slush pile.

You can still be one of those people.

 :yes:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 13, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
I didn't make pitch wars last year, but then again I did it on a spur of the moment thing when I knew I needed a full re-write...  I wasn't ready, I paid the price.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Corinth on August 13, 2015, 11:16:21 AM
But like Falen says, there's not much of a price!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 13, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
Right. The price is a return to status quo, and maybe a bit of a knock to your emotions or possibly your confidence (which, I mean, I know we can't really control that, but try not to let it hurt your confidence. It's so subjective and there's so much competition that not getting picked really doesn't mean anything at all)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 13, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
 All sensible advice, and very true!
 
 I feel like I've got to the point now where I'm picking at every tiny detail of my MS, and starting to think it's all crap. I'll probably stop feeling like this once it's all done, and submitted though.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 13, 2015, 01:50:08 PM
I look at it this way - it's win/win either way for me.

If I get picked, obviously that's great. (even if I don't get an agent out of the deal, working with any one of the mentors would be a great help)

If I don't get picked, it's still good. The process has made me look at my MS and querying material in more depth, it's connected me with a few new Twitter friends, and I get to have some fun.

And yeah, in the end, I'm not only "no worse off", I'd say I'm actually better off than before - with a MS, query, and synopsis ready to start hitting up agents.

Where's the downside?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 14, 2015, 09:52:33 PM
IN case everyone missed it...

Submissions are now open early.  you can submit anytime between Now and 11:59 PM monday night.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 14, 2015, 09:55:52 PM
IN case everyone missed it...

Submissions are now open early.  you can submit anytime between Now and 11:59 PM monday night.

HAVE FUUUN YALLLLLLLLLL
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 14, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
I still have to squish in time to polish stuff up. And research in depth more into the small pool of mentors I selected so I can figure out who will be the best picks.

I'm running out of time.  :(

This is what I get for procrastinating!!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 14, 2015, 11:14:16 PM
I've got 4 of 16 chapters polished up...  i still need to add 2 scenes though...

I have a feeling I'll be submitting Sunday or Monday.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 15, 2015, 09:38:35 AM
Does anyone have the link to enter PW early? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks in advance,

JP

And good luck to everyone!

Never mind, got it. Here's the link: http://www.brenda-drake.com/2015/08/pitch-wars-submission-window-enter-now/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Corinth on August 15, 2015, 09:41:12 AM
http://www.brenda-drake.com
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 15, 2015, 11:13:49 AM
CNVIDFVNLCVDPFKNVN!!!!!!!


Probably gonna submit Sunday, otherwise...Monday!   *breathes in paper bag*
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 15, 2015, 11:16:18 AM
and odd thing I noticed as I was polishing...  and I guess it's a good thing.

each of my characters has their own set of Crutch words...  for Steve it's "A little", for Kevin he uses "Just", Amaya says "Like" way too much but I figured on that one...  Kate really doesn't have one.

it makes me happy because their voices are separate enough that they seem to have their own ways of telling the story (the first couple of drafts from way back they all sounded the same)...

just cool.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: 007 fan on August 15, 2015, 04:20:33 PM
Hi,

I wanted to wish everyone luck for the contest. I hope everyone here snags a mentor!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 16, 2015, 08:38:38 AM
Whoop whoop. I submitted. *Stalks feed*
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gogo5358 on August 16, 2015, 09:51:12 AM
Good luck to all of you entering!!! I hope you all get mentors!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: olashorty on August 16, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
I think I just decided to enter even though my current MS isn't nearly as polished as I'd like to be. Nerve-wracking, haha. Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 16, 2015, 01:23:17 PM
And submitted.
Fingers crossed... And lots of good luck wishes to all who are submitting!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 16, 2015, 02:06:51 PM
Hoping to enter tonight. 6 chapters to polish and one scene left to write. Otherwise it's tomorrow.

Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 16, 2015, 02:28:28 PM
Hoping to enter tonight. 6 chapters to polish and one scene left to write. Otherwise it's tomorrow.

Good luck everyone.

Good luck! Sorry I wasn't able to read more.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 12:34:47 AM
Entered...  now the stalking continues...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 12:42:12 AM
Entered...  now the stalking continues...

GOOD LUCK  :award:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 17, 2015, 06:02:47 AM
Submitted!

 And now the agony....


 Speaking of, I had a PItchwars nightmare last night, in which there was a forum for the mentors to talk about what was wrong with the MSS. Each MS had a number, and they'd talk about #19, or #34 (mine was #19).

 For some reason there seemed to be secret wizards in mine that I didn't remember writing about, and everyone was complaining about the wizards using lightning bolts to escape traps, and how cliche it was. I was like, "I didn't write about wizards!", but when I looked at my MS, there were pages of headshots of wizards in pointy hats, with their names and powers listed under them, and that's what I'd submitted. Ahaha.
 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 17, 2015, 07:54:52 AM
Good luck everyone!

And CrawlingChaos, I'd totally read your wizard book  :wink:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 08:02:55 AM
I have a Q.

If somebody requests anything, how do we send it? Reply to the email they sent with the request with the request?

Just in case I run into any probs.


ETA: HALP.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 08:25:24 AM
Hey X...


don't sweat it. I don't even know if I would have had time to look over any more notes with the break neck pace I had to polish that at. At least I have a couple weeks to catch back up on your book and send you some notes.  I'm still open to any thoughts you have on What Happened At Kates House, even if you just generally think it's a huge, smoldering turd.  just let me know what about it made it a turd so I know what I can fix.  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 17, 2015, 08:27:57 AM
I'm so excited!
Good luck to everyone who has entered... now comes two weeks of waiting. Ugh.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 09:12:15 AM
My Mentee Bio in case anyone wants to check it out...

http://falthor.blogspot.ca/2015/08/pitchwars-2015-mentee-bio.html (http://falthor.blogspot.ca/2015/08/pitchwars-2015-mentee-bio.html)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 17, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
I have a Q.

If somebody requests anything, how do we send it? Reply to the email they sent with the request with the request?

Just in case I run into any probs.


ETA: HALP.

Reply with the requested materials attached. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 12:26:53 PM
Oh OK.  Just preventing future hangups....

Erm with cover page and address on fulls? I might be asking too soon but JUST IN CASE...

It doesn't hurt to know beforehand. :)

Also thank you:)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 17, 2015, 12:35:55 PM
Oh OK.  Just preventing future hangups....

Erm with cover page and address on fulls? I might be asking too soon but JUST IN CASE...

It doesn't hurt to know beforehand. :)

Also thank you:)

Yes to a cover page. It doesn't have to have your address if you'd rather take it out. But a cover page is soooo helpful.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 17, 2015, 01:21:09 PM
Cradle: Don't overthink it. As long as you don't put the entire novel in the body of the email or make the font Curlz MT, nobody will care that much about what exactly you do.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 01:26:55 PM

Yes to a cover page. It doesn't have to have your address if you'd rather take it out. But a cover page is soooo helpful.

What do you usually have on a cover page, anyway?

(Is a cover page the page where you just have your title, the word count, you personal info, etc.?)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 01:33:11 PM
I'm so glad I went with Comic Sans for my manuscript...  I just find it lends it's happiness to the words that are written with it... don't you.  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
Cradle: Don't overthink it. As long as you don't put the entire novel in the body of the email or make the font Curlz MT, nobody will care that much about what exactly you do.

 :up:

 :wink:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 17, 2015, 01:46:28 PM
I'm so glad I went with Comic Sans for my manuscript...  I just find it lends it's happiness to the words that are written with it... don't you.  :-)

 :rolf:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 17, 2015, 02:28:03 PM
I think today is going to be my lucky day. I entered PW 2015 and I'm feeling confident about landing a mentor. And early this morning I received a partial request (100 pages) from an agent. This is after getting reject after reject.

I queried this agent on 7/24 so there is no conflict with PW.

JP 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 02:32:01 PM
Are we allowed to say if we got requests?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
there's really no problem with querying while your in Pitchwars either, but it is frowned upon.   I mean the contest is to help you p[olish your MS basically...

that being said the only time you need to let anyone know if something is going down is if you get an offer.

I don't know if it's the high off finishing a re-write again or something else, but i feel super confident in this draft of my MS too.  I have no idea if I'm going to get into pitchwars, or if I'm just going to snag an agent/publisher on my own, but I feel like I could cut down a mountain with my hand right now...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 02:36:57 PM
Are we allowed to say if we got requests?

Maybe on here but I wouldn't mention it on Twitter because I heard some mentors say they didn't like that.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 02:53:26 PM
Yea, that's what I thought. Good to know though. :D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 17, 2015, 03:04:10 PM
Like Jimi Hendrix, Falthor. :band:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
yep.. thought that as I typed it out...


one of the people I subbed to just made a comment about there being a form to the query and not following it generally makes you look like you would be hard to work with.  And now I'm in a panic because I had a Multiple POV query which is generally frowned upon...

:-(

And this is only Day one.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 17, 2015, 03:48:34 PM
Dude. There's no telling that that was you, so try not to worry
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 17, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Submitted!! Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 05:37:04 PM
I know Falen, nerves though...

it's just sitting here and no one is requesting extra pages...  as I said on twitter I'm not sure if that makes me God and everyone loves my chapter, or if I should just go find a dark corner and cry by myself.

Meh...  I'll go to the beach and see if I can find my son's $250 missing Prescription goggles...

See X, aren't you glad you're not going through this?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 05:54:55 PM
I know Falen, nerves though...

it's just sitting here and no one is requesting extra pages...  as I said on twitter I'm not sure if that makes me God and everyone loves my chapter, or if I should just go find a dark corner and cry by myself.

Meh...  I'll go to the beach and see if I can find my son's $250 missing Prescription goggles...

See X, aren't you glad you're not going through this?

You still have a while Falthor, don't stress.

And yeah I am pretty glad. I have enough requests out ATM that I feel like having a huge edit would not help and probably isn't needed.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 17, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
 Falthor:

 A fellow Canadian! Do you have a twitter account? I re-started one I made years ago and am just getting the hang of it with this contest. D:

 Here's my mentee bio thing, along with a Pitchwars-related dream post:

 https://invisibleflyingtrolleybus.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/onward-to-pitchwars-2015/

https://invisibleflyingtrolleybus.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/secret-wizards-or-my-pitchwars-nightmare/
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 07:34:23 PM
I know I am putting too much thought into it buuuuttt one more q.

Do we attach our synopsis if requested? Also, do we do this when querying too?? (Probably not. I've never had to give one. I usually avoid sending them at all...)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 07:35:35 PM
I know I am putting too much thought into it buuuuttt one more q.

Do we attach our synopsis if requested? Also, do we do this when querying too?? (Probably not. I've never had to give one. I usually avoid sending them at all...)

Only if they ask for it.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
I know I am putting too much thought into it buuuuttt one more q.

Do we attach our synopsis if requested? Also, do we do this when querying too?? (Probably not. I've never had to give one. I usually avoid sending them at all...)

Only if they ask for it.

Gotcha. Thanks! I'm so frazzled today. School starts tomorrow. Car broke down two days ago and almost got into a pretty nasty wreck. It sucked.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 17, 2015, 07:52:12 PM
I know I am putting too much thought into it buuuuttt one more q.

Do we attach our synopsis if requested? Also, do we do this when querying too?? (Probably not. I've never had to give one. I usually avoid sending them at all...)

Only if they ask for it.

Gotcha. Thanks! I'm so frazzled today. School starts tomorrow. Car broke down two days ago and almost got into a pretty nasty wreck. It sucked.

I get ya. I start school Monday. Of course I didn't have any of that do maybe I don't. Don't hesitate to ask stuff! Good luck.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 17, 2015, 10:32:58 PM
Are we allowed to say if we got requests?

Maybe on here but I wouldn't mention it on Twitter because I heard some mentors say they didn't like that.

Yeah, several have been very clear about saying no sharing on social networks. The organizer, Brenda Drake, has also tweeted discouraging people from sharing on social sites ... It's "bad form"...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 17, 2015, 10:42:02 PM
It's okay for the mentors to post that they asked people for pages but nor for the mentees to say they got asked...

seems reasonable  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: olashorty on August 17, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
Folks are getting requests already? Awesome! Congrats people.

I just submitted mine a few minutes ago; still frazzled, haha. Right before the deadline, thankfully. Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 17, 2015, 11:06:51 PM
I wish everyone a huge good luck. Even if we don't get a mentor, we can get good feedback as well.

Also, twitter has been hella fun. So worth every single second of anticipation and nervousness.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 17, 2015, 11:25:56 PM
It's okay for the mentors to post that they asked people for pages but nor for the mentees to say they got asked...

seems reasonable  :-)

They're not saying who they requested from... Lol
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 18, 2015, 06:47:20 AM
 Still very pumped about this--good luck everyone!

 I don't know why, but I just have this feeling I won't get many (or any) requests, but honestly? I feel totally fine with that right now. I did a sh**-ton of work on my MS, learned (sort-of) how Twitter works, and met some really cool people.
 

 And yeah, I wouldn't worry if you don't have requests yet. Many of the mentors I follow said they wouldn't request until everything was submitted.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 18, 2015, 12:28:22 PM
Brenda drake posted that total entries for the contest hit 1591, with 108mentors (totally down to 100 to sub to) that's a 1 in 160 chance...  she went one farther and paired it down to roughly a 1 in 80 shot based on the sub rates of certain mentors.

I like those odds.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 18, 2015, 12:28:38 PM
It's okay for the mentors to post that they asked people for pages but nor for the mentees to say they got asked...

seems reasonable  :-)

Really? I don't see why it would matter. I had requests last year and I think I posted on here that I did. I didn't say from who though.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 18, 2015, 01:39:05 PM
Ughh guys I am so nervous so much going on. :zip:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 18, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Terry,

i don't think they want you posting it on the twitter feed cause ti would look bad...   especially if you mentioned who the mentor was that requested.

here on our board, go for it.  If someone subbed to one of the mentors I subbed to and got a full request and I didn't I'd love to know that so i don't worry about hearing from that mentor personally.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Corinth on August 18, 2015, 02:04:06 PM
Is there like a timeline or something for when the mentors will start requesting?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 18, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
Is there like a timeline or something for when the mentors will start requesting?

It depends on the mentor. One of mine said they wanted to wait until they'd read through all of the submissions. Some request as they read. It's just a game of wait-and-see.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 18, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
One of the people I submitted to was requesting on Saturday and Sunday after the early opening...  at least he said he was...

a lot of them want to make sure they have all their subs, some of them want to read all their subs, etc...  there is no rhyme or reason, you just have to sort of sit back for a couple weeks and celebrate your victories when they come to you.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 18, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
Brenda drake posted that total entries for the contest hit 1591, with 108mentors (totally down to 100 to sub to) that's a 1 in 160 chance...  she went one farther and paired it down to roughly a 1 in 80 shot based on the sub rates of certain mentors.

I like those odds.

Dan Kobolt called out the math on that one (and beat me to it, dammit). At 1591 total entrants, and 100 mentors that's a roughly 1 in 16 chance of getting selected.
But, that, of course, is assuming a roughly even distribution of submissions to mentors - which we know is not the case.

Brenda was doing the 5x1591/100 thing - which does some interesting things to the odds themselves, but isn't any more accurate considering that the submissions are not evenly distributed.

Technically speaking, you'd have to take the individual submissions to each of your selected mentors, eliminate duplicate submissions (those who submitted to multiple of these mentors, and that includes yours), then do the math.

And yeah, I've been geeking out on the math all day. I keep trying to resist. Speculative mathematics.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 18, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
Is there like a timeline or something for when the mentors will start requesting?

It depends on the mentor. One of mine said they wanted to wait until they'd read through all of the submissions. Some request as they read. It's just a game of wait-and-see.

Agree. Last year, I had one mentor request pages about an hour after I submitted and another one requested pages several days later.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 18, 2015, 03:00:18 PM
Brenda drake posted that total entries for the contest hit 1591, with 108mentors (totally down to 100 to sub to) that's a 1 in 160 chance...  she went one farther and paired it down to roughly a 1 in 80 shot based on the sub rates of certain mentors.

I like those odds.

Dan Kobolt called out the math on that one (and beat me to it, dammit). At 1591 total entrants, and 100 mentors that's a roughly 1 in 16 chance of getting selected.
But, that, of course, is assuming a roughly even distribution of submissions to mentors - which we know is not the case.

Brenda was doing the 5x1591/100 thing - which does some interesting things to the odds themselves, but isn't any more accurate considering that the submissions are not evenly distributed.

Technically speaking, you'd have to take the individual submissions to each of your selected mentors, eliminate duplicate submissions (those who submitted to multiple of these mentors, and that includes yours), then do the math.

And yeah, I've been geeking out on the math all day. I keep trying to resist. Speculative mathematics.

One mentor said they got 100+ subs, so that may help in the math, maybe.  ;D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 18, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
I'm amazed at how many entries there are - I'll be freaking out along with you all.  :)  And wishing everyone good luck!

I'm glad someone figured out all the odds math.  :) 

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 18, 2015, 03:16:46 PM
Just saw a mentor say she got over 200 subs (thank god it wasn't someone I sent mine too) I feel for the poor woman.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 18, 2015, 03:17:19 PM
Poor Spike must be swamped, given these numbers.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 18, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
I'm amazed at how many entries there are - I'll be freaking out along with you all.  :)  And wishing everyone good luck!

I'm glad someone figured out all the odds math.  :) 



Good luck to you as well, Kimberly!

Poor Spike must be swamped, given these numbers.



I know, right?!! I can only imagine her inbox exploding! Wish I could've subbed to her.

Just saw a mentor say she got over 200 subs (thank god it wasn't someone I sent mine too) I feel for the poor woman.

Which mentor? The one that said she'd gotten over a hundred wasn't one of mine, thankfully!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 18, 2015, 03:35:10 PM
Just saw a mentor say she got over 200 subs (thank god it wasn't someone I sent mine too) I feel for the poor woman.

She is one I sent to :(

Seems at least three of my five were exceptionally popular picks. It might also be that there were fewer adult mentors, and all of these ladies were very active in promoting, and have fairly wide tastes.

Had I subbed the other piece, I would have had only one mentor to choose from. Dan K was on my list for the second, but when asked directly, he gave an emphatic "no" to anything but the vaguest hint of romance.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 18, 2015, 03:36:05 PM
Lynnette Labelle said she has over 200 subs
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 18, 2015, 03:59:08 PM


She is one I sent to :(

Seems at least three of my five were exceptionally popular picks. It might also be that there were fewer adult mentors, and all of these ladies were very active in promoting, and have fairly wide tastes.

Had I subbed the other piece, I would have had only one mentor to choose from. Dan K was on my list for the second, but when asked directly, he gave an emphatic "no" to anything but the vaguest hint of romance.

Dan K seems a little intimidating on Twitter. Kudos to you for getting up the courage to ask. I'd be petrified to even ask the friendliest of them.

I know I don't envy the mentors. Not at all.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 18, 2015, 04:04:38 PM


She is one I sent to :(

Seems at least three of my five were exceptionally popular picks. It might also be that there were fewer adult mentors, and all of these ladies were very active in promoting, and have fairly wide tastes.

Had I subbed the other piece, I would have had only one mentor to choose from. Dan K was on my list for the second, but when asked directly, he gave an emphatic "no" to anything but the vaguest hint of romance.

Dan K seems a little intimidating on Twitter. Kudos to you for getting up the courage to ask. I'd be petrified to even ask the friendliest of them.

I know I don't envy the mentors. Not at all.

He's gruff, but actually seems really nice. But I've spent too many years working in a male-dominated field, being the only girl surrounded by guys (mostly cops and military) to be put off by gruff.

So far as I've seen, all the mentors have been really cool. And they're doing a huge amount of work - which is just awesome!

As for courage... meh. After deciding to dump a barely finished manuscript on five complete strangers, sending a little twitter message to a brusk-sounding guy was low on my list of things to stress.  :wink:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 18, 2015, 04:08:11 PM

He's gruff, but actually seems really nice. But I've spent too many years working in a male-dominated field, being the only girl surrounded by guys (mostly cops and military) to be put off by gruff.

So far as I've seen, all the mentors have been really cool. And they're doing a huge amount of work - which is just awesome!

As for courage... meh. After deciding to dump a barely finished manuscript on five complete strangers, sending a little twitter message to a brusk-sounding guy was low on my list of things to stress.  :wink:

I don't do well with people who sound gruff/etc. since I can't read tones or vocal things very well. So, it always frightens me to interact with them. I could not be in the military or a cop.

But yeah, all of them seem pretty cool! I'm glad I'm not in PitchWars, though! I have enough on my plate with BOTR and WHITE STAG to do a massive edit. Especially cause I don't think I need it or the stress of it. I hope you all do well though!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 18, 2015, 04:53:48 PM
Poor Spike must be swamped, given these numbers.
Just saw a mentor say she got over 200 subs (thank god it wasn't someone I sent mine too) I feel for the poor woman.

I have 170!!! That's like 5 or 6 novels of chapter ones, haha! Good thing I like to read!

And don't worry if you subbed to someone who got more entries overall. There's lots of sharing happening behind the scenes between mentors who got a lot and mentors who got less. That way, everyone has a fair shot, no matter who you subbed to. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 18, 2015, 05:06:27 PM

I have 170!!! That's like 5 or 6 novels of chapter ones, haha! Good thing I like to read!

And don't worry if you subbed to someone who got more entries overall. There's lots of sharing happening behind the scenes between mentors who got a lot and mentors who got less. That way, everyone has a fair shot, no matter who you subbed to. :)

170? DAMN GIRL. Good luck!

I guess you all kinda know how agents feel now.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 18, 2015, 05:09:54 PM
Poor Spike must be swamped, given these numbers.
Just saw a mentor say she got over 200 subs (thank god it wasn't someone I sent mine too) I feel for the poor woman.

I have 170!!! That's like 5 or 6 novels of chapter ones, haha! Good thing I like to read!

And don't worry if you subbed to someone who got more entries overall. There's lots of sharing happening behind the scenes between mentors who got a lot and mentors who got less. That way, everyone has a fair shot, no matter who you subbed to. :)

Wow! That's a lot of reading... and it's a good thing to know the mentors are sharing behind the scenes. You do see hints of that on twitter.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 18, 2015, 05:10:21 PM
I seem to recall a certain mentor being all "But what if no one subs to me?"
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on August 18, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
I ended up submitting only to three mentors. I'd been going back and forth on whether to sub my MS as NA or A fantasy, and I decided to go with NA, because one YA/NA mentor's wishlist matched my MS perfectly. But that severely limited my other mentor choices...most of the other ones I had picked were adult-only. I wonder if some of the behind-the-scenes submission sharing crosses age-group lines?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 18, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
I seem to recall a certain mentor being all "But what if no one subs to me?"

So do I.  :wag:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 18, 2015, 08:54:07 PM
170 - holy cow - it is a good thing you like to read.  :)  It must be so hard though, having to choose only one!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 19, 2015, 05:47:12 PM
 As one of the adult mentors who was into fantasy, Dan K. was at the top of my list, but he was particularly emphatic about his hatred of time jumps in MSS, so when it came down to the wire I picked Michelle Hauck for #5.

 As the adult mentors were fewer in number, and most submissions tend to be SFF, I'm competing with a massive number of people. D:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 19, 2015, 09:12:57 PM
As one of the adult mentors who was into fantasy, Dan K. was at the top of my list, but he was particularly emphatic about his hatred of time jumps in MSS, so when it came down to the wire I picked Michelle Hauck for #5.

 As the adult mentors were fewer in number, and most submissions tend to be SFF, I'm competing with a massive number of people. D:

Yeah...

Thus far, four of my five mentor choices have given at least basic numbers (updated from last time when I didn't have exact numbers, but vague guesses)
One had over 200 subs.
One had 134 subs.
One had 127 subs.
One had 78 subs.
One has not chimed in with her numbers.

I think the adult mentors with fairly open categories got seriously bombarded.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 19, 2015, 09:19:10 PM
Only one of those is actually above average; assuming most people subbed to 5 people, the average would be around 150.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 19, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
Only one of those is actually above average; assuming most people subbed to 5 people, the average would be around 150.

Hey gckatz, totally off topic, but how many requests did you get last year when you were picked for an alternate? Sorry. Curiosity.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 19, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
Where are you people finding how many subs each mentor received?

Thanks,
JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 19, 2015, 11:04:52 PM
Only one of those is actually above average; assuming most people subbed to 5 people, the average would be around 150.

Hey gckatz, totally off topic, but how many requests did you get last year when you were picked for an alternate? Sorry. Curiosity.

Just one partial, IIRC. Sometimes a mentor really doesn't need to see the whole thing to make up her mind.

ETA: Yep, I got 1 request for chapter 2 and that was it.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 20, 2015, 08:25:07 AM
John just stalking the #pitchwars feed.


personally I have tweetdeck setup and a specific column just for my mentors so I see everything they post separated out.   I don't think any of my mentors have let on how many they received yet. Hadsome funny conversations with a couple though.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 20, 2015, 09:44:00 AM
Thanks, Falthor.   :clap:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 20, 2015, 10:11:27 AM
Only one of those is actually above average; assuming most people subbed to 5 people, the average would be around 150.

1591 total people, up to 5 entries each.

1591 x 5 = 7955 That would be the maximum possible number of individual submissions.

100 mentors - 108 ish I believe, but Brenda Drake listed 100 as many were co-mentors, so we'll go with that number.

7955 / 100 = 79.55 - so let's round up to 80 since we can't have 79 and a half submissions.

If every entrant submitted to five mentors, and there was a perfect distribution of submissions, each mentor would have about 80 submissions. (and to think I hated this subject in high school... these days I'm kind of a stats geek).

I've seen a couple mentors say they had 40 or 50 subs, a few say 60 or 70, quite a few are saying 80-100, and then it seems to jump into the 130+ range.

Not every mentor has given their numbers (I might have to go digging for more on this one, but I've seen less than half give an actual number - doesn't mean they haven't, just I haven't seen it).

It's a safe bet that some who are saying they got a lot, or were overwhelmed, etc. actually got less than 80 (hey, even 40 emails all in one day, all on one subject, would be a heaping pile o' stuff to read!)

In the past Dan Kobolt has done a stats review, but he's publicly said he hasn't got the time this year. It'll be interesting to see if anyone picks it up.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 20, 2015, 11:47:44 AM
I try not to follow the feed because it can lead to a lot of anxiety, but . . .
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 20, 2015, 08:41:54 PM
RKarina: I wonder if we subbed to any of the same people, haha.

 Everything's gone so eerily quiet on the Twitter feed (comparatively). I'm so excited to see who/what gets picked even if I'm not one of them.

 Also, Brenda Drake updated the agent list with even more people--it just gets better and better. So many fantastic people.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 20, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
It so exciting. I've got a cannon full of confetti for anyone on QT who makes it in.  :ban:

And yea, it is a bit quiet. I wonder if it will completely die until the 2nd.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 20, 2015, 09:38:24 PM
Same here, going to be so exciting if some QTers get in there!  I'm rooting for you all!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 20, 2015, 10:14:44 PM
i Have two CP's so far out of this but no requests for materials yet.

I'd say I'm still winning  :-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 21, 2015, 12:21:52 AM
I met a pretty awesome CP too! It's a win win either way! (And it was kind of amazing to see the community come together when a troll decided to toll like a troll does). Glad he/she is gone. They had a serious case of the butthurt.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 21, 2015, 12:47:35 AM
I met a pretty awesome CP too! It's a win win either way! (And it was kind of amazing to see the community come together when a troll decided to toll like a troll does). Glad he/she is gone. They had a serious case of the butthurt.

What happened?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 21, 2015, 01:47:52 AM
I met a pretty awesome CP too! It's a win win either way! (And it was kind of amazing to see the community come together when a troll decided to toll like a troll does). Glad he/she is gone. They had a serious case of the butthurt.

What happened?

This random person created a random Twitter today and started saying mentors should stop sugar coating things and tell people when their manuscripts suck. I tried to kill them with kindness but they got so boring/repetitive that I blocked them. Like they kept saying over and over that it's sooo unfair that mentors don't all give feedback. Well boo hoo. Welcome to the world of writing.

Then they tried to downplay their trollness by saying that maybe they're a spy whose here to bring together the PitchWars community. Hah doubtful buddy.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 21, 2015, 05:54:03 AM
 Cradle: Yes! Team QT all the way. :D

 I have a few favourites just from seeing some random MS lines posted on the hastag. There's some wonderful stuff being submitted, if they're any indication (and the mentors' comments have supported that).

 Also found a potential CP! Now I have two, which is amazing. Looking forward to reading both, once  have my thesis proposal submitted (ugh, thesis, go away! I want to read about Romans and Space Romans).
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 21, 2015, 07:32:30 AM
I'm starting to realize that the most interesting person in my book is the throwaway character that wasn't even in there for the first 4 drafts, Ashley...

gonna have to write her into something else if this book doesn't get picked up.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 21, 2015, 08:07:18 AM
It so exciting. I've got a cannon full of confetti for anyone on QT who makes it in.  :ban:

And yea, it is a bit quiet. I wonder if it will completely die until the 2nd.

I think the last two years they announced the winners a day or two early, if I remember right
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 21, 2015, 08:37:22 AM
Bummer, I didn't receive any requests this year.  :'(

The mentors I pick are never active on Twitter either. Only one tweets regularly.

Good luck to everyone. I really hope someone here gets picked. I want to hear how everything turns out.

One a good note, I'm within a weekend of finishing my edits for this novel. And as the Gods shine down on me, I was about to email Agent Shark as she said she would help me with my query, and instead, she tracked me down on Twitter. I figured she had forgotten about me. Let's hope it pays off.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 21, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
Bummer, I didn't receive any requests this year.  :'(

A) not every mentor is done requesting material
B) people get picked for PW all the time who didn't get any requests.

so don't fret!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 21, 2015, 10:16:36 AM
yeah terry, like I said one Twitter.

If someone hasn't got a request for materials it's because

1.) you knocked it out of the park with your first chapter/query

or

2.) someone else was a better fit for your mentors.

they have to pick based on who they think they can help the most, everyone just assumes it means they pick the best MS, which is way wrong, they pick the one they figure they can help the most.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 21, 2015, 11:03:38 AM
RKarina: I wonder if we subbed to any of the same people, haha.

 Everything's gone so eerily quiet on the Twitter feed (comparatively). I'm so excited to see who/what gets picked even if I'm not one of them.

 Also, Brenda Drake updated the agent list with even more people--it just gets better and better. So many fantastic people.

Maybe... LOL

I pitched to Lynnette Labelle, Sarah Henning, Margarita Montimore, Natasha Raulerson, and Kristin B Wright.

They were the only five who were taking my genre and who did not have notes saying "I do not want any MS that contains these things..." that disqualified mine. (several were taking my genre but specifically said "no" to key plot elements in my novel)

Even so, I would not have submitted to them if I didn't also really like what they all had to say in their mentor bios.

How about you?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 21, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
If someone hasn't got a request for materials it's because

1.) you knocked it out of the park with your first chapter/query

or

2.) someone else was a better fit for your mentors.


OR

3.) That mentor isn't asking for additional materials
4.) That mentor isn't finished going through their submissions yet
5.) That mentor plans on asking for materials later on, as they whittle down their lists
6.) That mentor doesn't need to ask you for additional materials because they already know they're going to pick you
7.) That mentor is planning on passing you to another mentor, who they think will be a better fit

and on and on and on
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 21, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
RKarina - I also submitted to N. Raulerson & M. Montimore, both because they especially like "women finding their way through a dark period of their life."  :sos:  Both would be really solid mentors.

On the same day of the contest, 8/17, I received my first request from an agent for a partial. I took that as a good omen. :up: The very next day, she passed saying the Ch1 I submitted was "too jarring." :flame: (That was where one of my MC's is contemplating suicide.) I asked her if I could resubmit, and she said, yes.  I put the 100 pages in an e-format suitable for a Kindle and sent it to her yesterday, 8/20.

I hope she gets back to me before 9/2, so I can drop out of PW and not take a valuable spot away from someone else. :no: (I love these damn emotos!)

JP :up:

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on August 21, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
Falen, I love your response. I hope it is true for a QT'er. I have my fingers crossed for us all. I didn't get any requests either, and I gotta admit I spent some time in mourning 'bout it yesterday. :-( I was playing over my first chapter in my mind, trying to see it as an outsider (outside my brain, that is). The thing is, I just don't know how to make it better at this point--which is why I was stoked for this type of "contest" in the first place.

But as everyone agrees, I've benefitted just from entering, participating, trying. My writing is better than it was.

Good luck all! I hope if someone gets in they tell us all about it so we can root for you!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 21, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
I know I saw at least one mentor stating that they weren't done requesting yet, so unless all your mentors said they were done and if you didn't get a request from them that means they weren't going to pick you, there's no need to assume you're out, yet
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 21, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
RKarina: I wonder if we subbed to any of the same people, haha.

 Everything's gone so eerily quiet on the Twitter feed (comparatively). I'm so excited to see who/what gets picked even if I'm not one of them.

 Also, Brenda Drake updated the agent list with even more people--it just gets better and better. So many fantastic people.

Maybe... LOL

I pitched to Lynnette Labelle, Sarah Henning, Margarita Montimore, Natasha Raulerson, and Kristin B Wright.

They were the only five who were taking my genre and who did not have notes saying "I do not want any MS that contains these things..." that disqualified mine. (several were taking my genre but specifically said "no" to key plot elements in my novel)

Even so, I would not have submitted to them if I didn't also really like what they all had to say in their mentor bios.

How about you?

Too funny. Same for me except for Natasha. I did Alex White. Sarah requested from me last year. We had a great email conversation about that novel.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 21, 2015, 02:03:43 PM
No requests don't mean a no, guys. And a request doesn't always mean a yes,  either. 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 21, 2015, 03:54:39 PM
 
 RKarina:  Only one in common then--oh well! I had much the same problem as you though (most people taking my genre made specifications that I thought disqualified my MS). A little digging on Twitter revealed most of them were probably actually okay with a lot of the stuff in mine I'd been concerned about.

Mine were (in no particular order):

 1) Lynette Labelle  - She was taking a LOT of genres, so I think that's why she ended up with so many subs
 2) K. T. Hanna
 3) Michelle Hauck
 4) Holly Faur
 5) Charlie N. Holmberg

  My MS was an adult, epic fantasy.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 21, 2015, 04:12:29 PM
Adult, Psychological Thriller for me. My comp was Silence of the Lambs so hopefully they know there will be a lot of suspense.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 21, 2015, 04:39:58 PM
My Mentor Subs reads like this:

Lisa Maxwell
Tabitha Martin
Lizzy Charles
Erica M. Chapman
Jessie Devine
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 21, 2015, 05:23:45 PM
Yeah, I did adult, romantic thriller.
The key plot element is a serial rapist, and many said absolutely no rape. A few said it was OK as a plot element, so long as it wasn't graphic.
I did not include comp titles, I try to avoid them unless I'm really pushed on it.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 21, 2015, 09:18:30 PM
 I think I remember your question from one of the adult mentor chats! Either that or someone else asked something similar.

 Is anyone thinking they're going to announce the winners early tomorrow night? Or maybe something else, like alternates or something. A few mentors I follow have been teasing something.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 21, 2015, 09:24:10 PM
I think I remember your question from one of the adult mentor chats! Either that or someone else asked something similar.

 Is anyone thinking they're going to announce the winners early tomorrow night? Or maybe something else, like alternates or something. A few mentors I follow have been teasing something.

I KNOW AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 21, 2015, 09:57:18 PM
I think I remember your question from one of the adult mentor chats! Either that or someone else asked something similar.

 Is anyone thinking they're going to announce the winners early tomorrow night? Or maybe something else, like alternates or something. A few mentors I follow have been teasing something.

I asked on twitter - I had to miss the chats, but others did ask similar questions.

And yeah, there seems to be some serious hinting going on... (and some drama - sigh)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 21, 2015, 10:45:43 PM
Yeah, I did adult, romantic thriller.
The key plot element is a serial rapist, and many said absolutely no rape. A few said it was OK as a plot element, so long as it wasn't graphic.
I did not include comp titles, I try to avoid them unless I'm really pushed on it.

I had something similar in my last novel where a serial killer was murdering child molesters. Very graphic as in horror.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 21, 2015, 11:22:00 PM
I met a pretty awesome CP too! It's a win win either way! (And it was kind of amazing to see the community come together when a troll decided to toll like a troll does). Glad he/she is gone. They had a serious case of the butthurt.

What happened?

This random person created a random Twitter today and started saying mentors should stop sugar coating things and tell people when their manuscripts suck. I tried to kill them with kindness but they got so boring/repetitive that I blocked them. Like they kept saying over and over that it's sooo unfair that mentors don't all give feedback. Well boo hoo. Welcome to the world of writing.

Then they tried to downplay their trollness by saying that maybe they're a spy whose here to bring together the PitchWars community. Hah doubtful buddy.

What an ass.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on August 21, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
I totally missed the hinting thing going on.  Now I need to go review the feed again and see what you are all talking about!  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 22, 2015, 05:57:12 AM
 And I missed the drama. D:

 I saw about the troll--what drama was going on? There was a bit of vagueness on my feed, but that was it. Hopefully no one else was being a jerk.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 22, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
if it's going to be anything it'll be that alternates are back on...

of course it could be that QT'er will have to have their own area to enter as we are so amazing...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 22, 2015, 10:11:50 AM
if it's going to be anything it'll be that alternates are back on...

of course it could be that QT'er will have to have their own area to enter as we are so amazing...

Okay, I have been missing out!! Trying to finish up stuff in my novel. Arrgghhh!! But I would love that so much if they announced that!!

Also, the troll thing, glad I missed that. What a sad person whoever that was!

And I know from reading twitter feed that a lot of mentors are STILL reading subs, especially one of mine who said she was.

I subbed to Kate Brauning, Susan Gray Foster and co-mentor Monica Bustamante Wagner, Molly Lee, Sharon M. Johnston and co-mentor Stacy Nash, and Tamara Mataya.

They were the only ones I found I would click with mentor/mentee wise since they were looking for what I wrote. Not a lot of NA mentors, so I was pretty limited. But the mentors seem really awesome, and I would love to have any one of them, especially Tamara!!

Fingers crossed for all you QTers!!! I do hope someone from here makes it in. But I will say that the writing community is amazing! Loving that you guys are finding CPs and new writing buddies! I reconnected with a couple of writing friends from the WriteOnCon, and it was so good to hear about what they'd been up to since then.

Speaking of which, anyone know what happened to WriteOnCon this year? Really puzzled that they haven't announced anything this year.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Lora Palmer on August 22, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
Sitting out this year's Pitch Wars but cheering you all on!  :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Speaking of which, anyone know what happened to WriteOnCon this year? Really puzzled that they haven't announced anything this year.

Same here! Every day, I've been checking the main site for an announcement, but nothing so far. No word on their twitter account, either. It is unusual. Hopefully there'll be some news either way soon...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 22, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
Guys, seriously, there's no big announcement happening (no mentors or Brenda know of one, so if you do, I have no clue where it came from, lol).

Sadly, we will not get alternates this year - and that won't change, no matter how much we beg. It's why there are so many mentors.

Not a single mentor has made their final pick yet, so there definitely won't be an annoucement about mentees soon (I still haven't even finished reading all my subs!).

So, yeah, just thought I'd let you know you can stop guessing, lol.

And, as far as I know, writeoncon isn't happening this year. I've heard the girl who runs it has decided against it this year, but I guess she could change her mind.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 22, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
Weeeeeird.  Maybe what she was tweeting about was a major personal announcement then (although a bit odd, since she used the #Pitchwars hashtag). Or I may just not understand Twitter,  haha.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 22, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
Publisher's Weekly is honoring PW 2015. :dance: You might want to check it out: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/publishers-weekly-star-watch-celebration-party-tickets-17847453213

JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 22, 2015, 02:46:06 PM
I'm so glad I'm not you guys. I don't need the stress! But best of luck! I'm rooting for everyone!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 22, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
It's a win win either way for me. As soon as the 2nd rolls around if I don't get a mentor, I'm shooting off my first query letters for The Zer0 Maker.

Ba-boom.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 22, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
taking some downtime...   when the 2nd rolls around if i don't have a mentor I'll start compiling my query list
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on August 22, 2015, 09:10:02 PM
Me too, Cradle. Best of luck to you!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 22, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
Humble suggestion that if you don't get picked you think carefully about all the feedback first rather than immediately querying.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 22, 2015, 09:58:23 PM
Planned on it.   :zen1:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 22, 2015, 10:16:53 PM
Oh good. Don't mind me then. Carry on.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 22, 2015, 10:20:33 PM
Same same. I also have it in a cp's hands. So there is tgat to
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 23, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Well that's just great. One of the mentors I subbed to had the nerve to actually answer someone when a writer asked if they had requested from their top picks. And they said yes so now I know I'm not picked by them. LOVELY.

But that's okay. I really really like two of the other mentors I subbed to. They're awesome and I've tweeted with them a few times/shared some favoriting of each others tweets.

But still. I'm a bit irked at this. I didn't know if this was appropriate to even put on here but I don't think that was professional of them at all. And I could tell by their hints that they were from requested material because how would they know how important the romantic subplots are.

I'm sorry about this ranting. Just upset here knowing that I'm down to possibly four chances now. Someone who is mentoring please tell me that not all mentors have requested from their top picks. I know you said that we aren't out of the game but I'm just discouraged here a tad bit.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 23, 2015, 12:06:58 PM
Well that's just great. One of the mentors I subbed to had the nerve to actually answer someone when a writer asked if they had requested from their top picks. And they said yes so now I know I'm not picked by them. LOVELY.

But that's okay. I really really like two of the other mentors I subbed to. They're awesome and I've tweeted with them a few times/shared some favoriting of each others tweets.

But still. I'm a bit irked at this. I didn't know if this was appropriate to even put on here but I don't think that was professional of them at all. And I could tell by their hints that they were from requested material because how would they know how important the romantic subplots are.

I'm sorry about this ranting. Just upset here knowing that I'm down to possibly four chances now. Someone who is mentoring please tell me that not all mentors have requested from their top picks. I know you said that we aren't out of the game but I'm just discouraged here a tad bit.

Don't be discouraged yet! I promise you not a single mentor has made a decision. Some aren't requesting, and a basing only on the entered materials. Some, like me, have made requests but also aren't done requesting. I got so many subs, I'll probably be asking for more till almost the last day.

There is also a LOT of sharing going on behind the scenes. The one thing I'll say, is if any of you ever pictured the mentors laughing and badmouthing you (or maybe that was just my own lack of confidence when I entered?) it is nothing like that at ALL. It's literally, "I have so many things I love! Please give this a home!" There is nothing negative being said about any of you (despite the freaking Twitter troll who tried telling people otherwise). So, whatever happens, know that you're in a huge pool of talent and we are agonizing over it all behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 23, 2015, 12:11:15 PM
Well that's just great. One of the mentors I subbed to had the nerve to actually answer someone when a writer asked if they had requested from their top picks. And they said yes so now I know I'm not picked by them. LOVELY.

But that's okay. I really really like two of the other mentors I subbed to. They're awesome and I've tweeted with them a few times/shared some favoriting of each others tweets.

But still. I'm a bit irked at this. I didn't know if this was appropriate to even put on here but I don't think that was professional of them at all. And I could tell by their hints that they were from requested material because how would they know how important the romantic subplots are.

I'm sorry about this ranting. Just upset here knowing that I'm down to possibly four chances now. Someone who is mentoring please tell me that not all mentors have requested from their top picks. I know you said that we aren't out of the game but I'm just discouraged here a tad bit.

Don't be discouraged yet! I promise you not a single mentor has made a decision. Some aren't requesting, and a basing only on the entered materials. Some, like me, have made requests but also aren't done requesting. I got so many subs, I'll probably be asking for more till almost the last day.

There is also a LOT of sharing going on behind the scenes. The one thing I'll say, is if any of you ever pictured the mentors laughing and badmouthing you (or maybe that was just my own lack of confidence when I entered?) it is nothing like that at ALL. It's literally, "I have so many things I love! Please give this a home!" There is nothing negative being said about any of you (despite the freaking Twitter troll who tried telling people otherwise). So, whatever happens, know that you're in a huge pool of talent and we are agonizing over it all behind the scenes.

Thanks! I was hoping to hear that. I just got discouraged by that one tweet but knowing how much has been swapped is relieving. It will be so awesome if someone from QT makes it. I'll be rooting for you guys!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 23, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
actually I got to disagree a little Spike...

Jesse Devine has stated clearly 100% that he has selected his mentee already but he wont say who it is until the 2nd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M)

But I digress.

that leaves me with 4.  Jesse was one of the people who said he would 100% be requesting extra materials from anyone he was considering.

I'm not down about it...   it leaves me with less suspense.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 23, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Well that's just great. One of the mentors I subbed to had the nerve to actually answer someone when a writer asked if they had requested from their top picks. And they said yes so now I know I'm not picked by them. LOVELY.

But that's okay. I really really like two of the other mentors I subbed to. They're awesome and I've tweeted with them a few times/shared some favoriting of each others tweets.

But still. I'm a bit irked at this. I didn't know if this was appropriate to even put on here but I don't think that was professional of them at all. And I could tell by their hints that they were from requested material because how would they know how important the romantic subplots are.

I'm sorry about this ranting. Just upset here knowing that I'm down to possibly four chances now. Someone who is mentoring please tell me that not all mentors have requested from their top picks. I know you said that we aren't out of the game but I'm just discouraged here a tad bit.

Don't be discouraged yet! I promise you not a single mentor has made a decision. Some aren't requesting, and a basing only on the entered materials. Some, like me, have made requests but also aren't done requesting. I got so many subs, I'll probably be asking for more till almost the last day.

There is also a LOT of sharing going on behind the scenes. The one thing I'll say, is if any of you ever pictured the mentors laughing and badmouthing you (or maybe that was just my own lack of confidence when I entered?) it is nothing like that at ALL. It's literally, "I have so many things I love! Please give this a home!" There is nothing negative being said about any of you (despite the freaking Twitter troll who tried telling people otherwise). So, whatever happens, know that you're in a huge pool of talent and we are agonizing over it all behind the scenes.

:-)

Also, Kai, it will be okay. I mean, this contest is so subjective and they can only pick one each. If I were to ever get agented, man, I would love to be a #PitchWars mentor for all the dark and creepy stuffs, but I don't think I'm quite that brave. (Lol--horror writer not brave enough).

Here's how I look at it:

I'm really not shy on social media or on other things. I've tweeted and chatted with my mentor picks and they are pretty freaking cool--so cool, in fact, that I plan to congratulate their mentee and twitter stalk THEM until their success (lol, kidding, but you get the drift). I've met a pretty awesome CP who seems really enthusiastic about my story and who is ready to swap pages at the drop of a hat. Her story is a YA horror like mine.

If I don't get picked, it's literally nothing personal. At all. If I had one lovely to choose out of over a hundred, I would like to think I would pull my hair out and flail endlessly. The way the mentors handled the subs with respect and kindness--while considering each and every one of them--makes me feel good about getting a pass. It was looked at. It was considered. Whether or not it was for them is a different story--one I shouldn't worry about, because there will be that one agent somewhere who gets to pick more than one out of hundreds if he/she wants.



Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 23, 2015, 12:29:32 PM
Oh sh** I forgot to add I had a dream we all made it in but the prize was a taco salad from Taco Bell.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 23, 2015, 12:31:30 PM
actually I got to disagree a little Spike...

Jesse Devine has stated clearly 100% that he has selected his mentee already but he wont say who it is until the 2nd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M)

But I digress.

that leaves me with 4.  Jesse was one of the people who said he would 100% be requesting extra materials from anyone he was considering.

I'm not down about it...   it leaves me with less suspense.

Agreed. It takes away the surprise.

I'm not mad that they have chosen already. I'm mad that they spoiled it basically and have already told us we aren't chosen. That to me is seriously rude. Giving hints is okay but not downright already letting half of their subs know that there's aren't chosen before anything is even announced. If I was a mentor, I could NEVER do that to people. And I repeat I could care less that they have made their choice, just don't ruin people's hopes a week before things are even announced.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 23, 2015, 01:00:59 PM
actually I got to disagree a little Spike...

Jesse Devine has stated clearly 100% that he has selected his mentee already but he wont say who it is until the 2nd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4Y9CNGT8M)

But I digress.

that leaves me with 4.  Jesse was one of the people who said he would 100% be requesting extra materials from anyone he was considering.

I'm not down about it...   it leaves me with less suspense.

Well, he's the only one I know of, then. He also got fewer subs, cause he was VERY specific in what he was looking for. There are soooooo many of us not done reading yet. And there is also the chance you won't get your number one pick. If two mentors want the same pick, they go to war (ie, the author decides), and if they lose, they need to find someone else. So, even if someone is set on their pick, there's no guarantee its who they'll end up with.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on August 23, 2015, 03:42:01 PM
Oh sh** I forgot to add I had a dream we all made it in but the prize was a taco salad from Taco Bell.


Why do you think I entered this contest in the first place?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on August 23, 2015, 03:56:42 PM
Tossing Cradle a karma for the Taco Bell salad <nom nom> This is a writer's forum, where is the stress-eating emoticon?

Thanks to gckatz! I didn't realize there was a highly probable chance I'll get feedback from mentors I submitted to even if they don't choose me. And Spike, thanks for being a mentor! Brenda just tweeted that in these 2 weeks you'll probably read 1,000-1,200 pages FOR FREE on top of everything else you have going on in your life. Dood. You rock!  :up:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 23, 2015, 04:01:35 PM
Like I said Spike.. it doesn;t bother me.   it actually leave me with less stress.  I like Jesse, he was my alternate pick (the remaining 4 were the 100% I want to sub these people)  And I've talked with him a bunch on twitter.  Cool person.

I think the problem is that the diversity wasn't early enough in my MS for him, but hey, whatever.  I'm good.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: dimple_doo on August 23, 2015, 05:29:35 PM
I went on vacation and haven't been following too much! Amazing how much drama happens in such a small amount of time. I haven't heard anything from the mentors I submitted to, but it was pretty difficult to find a mentor taking my genre anyway. I wrote an adult PNR. 

My mentors were:

Brighton Walsh
Lynnette Labelle
Charlie N. Holmberg
Holly Faur
Scarlett Cole
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Aubrey on August 23, 2015, 08:39:14 PM
I don't know. Whenever I entered Pitch Wars, I was happy when I saw tweets that clearly showed I was ousted from a mentor's consideration. One less thing to think about. And even though I don't recall a straight answer in response to a mentee's question, there were always hints. A bunch would post how they're reading fulls and trying to decide. If none of my mentors had requested fulls from me, they were obviously not squeeeing about me.

Maybe it's just me, but if a mentor lies in that situation and says he hasn't decided, I'm not feeling any better if at that point he hadn't expressed interest in my sub. YMMV
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kaiodem on August 24, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
I don't know. Whenever I entered Pitch Wars, I was happy when I saw tweets that clearly showed I was ousted from a mentor's consideration. One less thing to think about. And even though I don't recall a straight answer in response to a mentee's question, there were always hints. A bunch would post how they're reading fulls and trying to decide. If none of my mentors had requested fulls from me, they were obviously not squeeeing about me.

Maybe it's just me, but if a mentor lies in that situation and says he hasn't decided, I'm not feeling any better if at that point he hadn't expressed interest in my sub. YMMV

But what if all of the YA mentors decided to say that their top picks were from things they requested from a week before announcements are made? How is that fair? Writers were told to keep their requests quiet so shouldn't it be a two way street? I don't care that I won't be picked but I'm told this a week before everyone else? I would never enter the contest ever again if that happened. Announcement day is supposed to be exciting. If say, over 100 people have been told a week ahead of time that they are obviously not picked by all mentors, then announcement day is going to be a bitter day for those people.

I know everyone is reading into me wrong. But this is the point I've been trying to make all along. I'm not trying to be mean. I know this whole contest is subjective. I've known that about the industry since I started. But the subjectivity is not in the least what I have been referring to. I know the mentors are working hard and I so appreciate all the time they put into the contest.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 24, 2015, 07:49:46 PM
I understand Kai. But it's almost like damned if they do damned if they don't. If they don't give teasers, writers might feel a bit insecure not knowing if their submission was looked at or considered (and it most definitely was, but you know how us writers get). OR not knowing if they've gone anywhere. And writers generally are all up for teasers and enjoy them.

On the other side of the coin, if they give teasers and make some writers happy, they ultimately make other writers unhappy. So basically it *is* damned if you do damned if you don't. It's a tough call.

If it makes you feel any better, I think I won't be making into #PitchWars due to the hints my mentor picks are making. I'm almost certain, actually. But that's totally okay, because that just shifts my focus to sharpening up my MS and querying it.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 24, 2015, 07:52:53 PM
This is a very social contest and chatty mentors dropping hints about their picks are a traditional part of it. Really the only alternative to prevent any possibility of anyone being sure, or thinking they're sure, of their result would be complete radio silence, which would be against the spirit of the contest and would be a lot less fun for most of the participants.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 24, 2015, 08:01:18 PM
This is a very social contest and chatty mentors dropping hints about their picks are a traditional part of it. Really the only alternative to prevent any possibility of anyone being sure, or thinking they're sure, of their result would be complete radio silence, which would be against the spirit of the contest and would be a lot less fun for most of the participants.

+1

:-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 24, 2015, 08:19:46 PM
I know I wouldn't mind knowing now if I wasn't picked. It would be easier to move on. It's so easy to stalk...lol But it's a great opportunity. A very large opportunity that Brenda did an awesome job putting together. I don't mind the hints. I have no problems with any of it. If I did, I wouldn't have entered.

I think it would be awesome though if someone on QT got picked. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 24, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
Also I would like to point out the fact of how cool it is to tweet the mentors and how nice they are. Totally approachable.

I think that's one of the biggest plusses of #PitchWars.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 24, 2015, 10:45:54 PM
perfect example.


one of my mentors is Erica Chapman... who is co-mentoring with Brenda actually.

Brenda just the other day posted that ANYTHING sent to her that had multiple POV she'd have to request extra pages for just to see the different POV.  I still haven't seen anything.

no skin off my nose.   I got 2 CP's out of this, and I've have a bunch of people look over the query you guys already helped me with.   when i get a chance to go through my revision notes and polish I'll be casting a wide net looking for my agent/publisher, and to top it all off the idea for "the accidental king" was actually shaped by an idea in "What Happened at Kate's House" so I'm all win win win right now.

I still would love to make it into pitchwars but it's looking less and less likely for me, and I'm already over it.  The contest gave me the goal for my re-write and I hammered the Piss out of that.  If that's all i got I'd be good with it, but like I already mentioned I got fresh eyes and feedback, which is even better.

I get the feels Kai, I felt he same when i first saw a couple of my mentors talking about things like that, but ultimately the good vibes off finishing this re-write and what I'd managed to create have carried me past it, and I'm hitting the ground running.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 25, 2015, 12:42:38 AM
Also, the benefit of Pitch Wars is not just getting a mentor and the agent round - sure that part is the ideal goal, but there's so much more.

The connection with other writers, expanding your community, meeting possible new crit partners, encouragement, etc. these things all have value.

Pitch Wars is free to enter. All of the mentors are volunteering their time. And yes, it's a social experience, that's part of the point.

Yes, it can be frustrating to hear that you are out of the running before the reveal date, but it's not like the mentor choose their winner before you even submitted. And you've got four other mentors still looking. The hints and teasers are part of the fun and keep people talking, keep them active on social media.

I picked the only five possible mentors for my MS. Of them, I'm fairly certain I'm out of the running with two, based on their Twitter comments. I'm on the fence about a third, and haven't even the vaguest idea on the other two. It's all good.

Fair? Well... I had the same chance as the other 1591 people who submitted. If a mentor makes a comment that means you know you're out of the running, maybe it spoiled your fun and anticipation, but it's not unfair. The contest is subjective, yes, but so is anything in the publishing world. So is anything artistic.

I understand your frustration, and the grumpiness, but part of me also says that disappointment and rejection are part of the road to publishing. You're going to face rejection letters, and agents or publishers who just don't "get" you, or who won't even give you a chance.

And it's all worth it. I wouldn't give any of it up. its all a learning and growing experience.

So yep, be disappointed. Then turn around and look at the good stuff instead of the bad!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 25, 2015, 07:59:35 AM
Well that's just great. One of the mentors I subbed to had the nerve to actually answer someone when a writer asked if they had requested from their top picks. And they said yes so now I know I'm not picked by them. LOVELY.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that that mentor didn't pass you off to a different mentor
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 25, 2015, 10:22:17 AM
 I actually love the teases (I wish the people I'd subbed to teased more, haha). I can understand how it might suck to find out you're out of the running with some mentors, but wouldn't it just be the same feeling not to get picked on the 2nd?

 I've had zero MS requests in the contest, so I -suspect- that means I'm out of the running, and probably also that my query needs a do-over, but it's not absolutely certain until the 2nd, and whether any of us get chosen, it's still pushed us all to polish, polish, polish. I wouldn't have bothered to start existing on Twitter if it wasn't for this, and now I'm considering updating my long-unused blog regularly. I've met some cool people (including the mentors themselves), and found some good reads amongst the mentors' work. All in all I've got a lot of value out of a contest that's run for free by the volunteers.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 25, 2015, 10:27:29 AM
the thign that bugs me is that I'm sitting here wondering if I didn't include my e-mail correctly.

I'll have to walk Brenda through how to setup a confirmation e-mail for next year, if she wants to know.  I mean I got the "entry accepted" notification, but hey, i could have miss-typed my e-mail and I'd never know.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on August 25, 2015, 02:44:51 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about mistyping you email. I worried about the same thing until I figured that if they want me, they'll find me. :ninja:

Good luck to all, and I hope people will post if they get mentors.

JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 25, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
the thign that bugs me is that I'm sitting here wondering if I didn't include my e-mail correctly.

I'll have to walk Brenda through how to setup a confirmation e-mail for next year, if she wants to know.  I mean I got the "entry accepted" notification, but hey, i could have miss-typed my e-mail and I'd never know.

Wasn't your email on your formatted MS pages that you submitted?

But yeah, totally get that irrational "but what if I..." thought process!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 25, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
I didn't think to include any of that info on the MS...   dumb...  oh well.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 25, 2015, 03:47:41 PM
I didn't think to include any of that info on the MS...   dumb...  oh well.

Meh... I'll go with what JohnPansini just said - if they want, they'll find.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 25, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
it is what it is...   I have a coiuple things to critique myself and then Iget to go through some editing notes ofr my MS, then build a query list, and strike it rich...  er, I mean get an agent and sell my book.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: eleven02 on August 28, 2015, 08:57:56 PM
I've been sitting & thinking about the manuscript I submitted to PW. I've been good and haven't touched it since I submitted, but I have ideas on how to streamline it. I'll be curious to see if I get any feedback, and if the feedback matches what I've been thinking about. Also, I haven't been stalking the twitter feed. Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but whatever's going to happen on 9/2 will happen whether or not I get anxious about it.

Of course I'm anxious about it.

At the very least, I've put my work out there. Luckily I had a manuscript in good shape when the contest rolled around. Good luck to everyone who did! I hope y'all find yourselves with mentors next week.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 29, 2015, 04:13:41 PM
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

But I'm completely fine with it. Why? Because I just drove my piece of sh** car home (30 miles) while breaking down and I am so, so, so, so thankful to be alive right now. I kissed the ground when I got out of the car. Most debilitating, terrifying, horrid thing I've ever experienced--a car that won't GO and wants to die in intersections. A car that sputters and jerks like my transmission is GONE.

I took it to a buds house and I hooked it up. Threw a PO2040 error. Yea, like that narrows it down. I replaced an O2 sensor and my other is about to go bad, but I think my catalytic converter is either clogged or melted. Yaaay. Not.

So there's more money of out of my pocket. I mean yea, I like working on cars, but I hate it when they break down. Especially my cars.

Sorry. Had to vent. Still kind of shaking a lot, lol. I am so pissed.

So yea. *kisses ground again* After that there isn't much that can disappoint or scare me. Lol.

I opened my door, saw my bed and CRIED, guys.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 29, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

But I'm completely fine with it. Why? Because I just drove my piece of sh** car home (30 miles) while breaking down and I am so, so, so, so thankful to be alive right now. I kissed the ground when I got out of the car. Most debilitating, terrifying, horrid thing I've ever experienced--a car that won't GO and wants to die in intersections. A car that sputters and jerks like my transmission is GONE.

I took it to a buds house and I hooked it up. Threw a PO2040 error. Yea, like that narrows it down. I replaced an O2 sensor and my other is about to go bad, but I think my catalytic converter is either clogged or melted. Yaaay. Not.

So there's more money of out of my pocket. I mean yea, I like working on cars, but I hate it when they break down. Especially my cars.

Sorry. Had to vent. Still kind of shaking a lot, lol. I am so pissed.

So yea. *kisses ground again* After that there isn't much that can disappoint or scare me. Lol.

I opened my door, saw my bed and CRIED, guys.


Your car is a deathtrap. It seems to do this every other week.

Why are you sure you didn't get in?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 29, 2015, 04:25:48 PM


Your car is a deathtrap. It seems to do this every other week.

Why are you sure you didn't get in?


Yea. It's the car I took out a loan from my bank to get just last year. It's the car that is actually pretty new, only a few years old.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 29, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Quote
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

Me, last year. (https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/507037242972332032)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 29, 2015, 05:41:58 PM
Quote
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

Me, last year. (https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/507037242972332032)

Have you ever thought about mentoring? (Off topic sort of, I know).

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 29, 2015, 06:28:04 PM
don't you guys have Lemon laws?  cause it sure sounds like you got a lemon.

At least I have the upside that I'm on Vacay with the family until the second.  no more stalking for me.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Aubrey on August 29, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
Well, Cradle, even if you don't get in, I'm sure you will get awesome feedback from any mentors who may have asked for fulls. You can polish and start querying instead of waiting two months to query, so that's a plus.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 29, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
Quote
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

Me, last year. (https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/507037242972332032)

Have you ever thought about mentoring? (Off topic sort of, I know).

Just wondering.

Pff, I'd be the worst mentor ever. I don't even do first fives usually because people can't get through them without heartbreak, even with kitten pictures.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 29, 2015, 11:18:09 PM
Quote
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

Me, last year. (https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/507037242972332032)

Have you ever thought about mentoring? (Off topic sort of, I know).

Just wondering.



Pff, I'd be the worst mentor ever. I don't even do first fives usually because people can't get through them without heartbreak, even with kitten pictures.

But... kitten pictures..
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on August 31, 2015, 08:15:47 AM
When do you guys hear the PW results?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 31, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
9/2 unless they go early.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on August 31, 2015, 10:15:37 AM
As nice as early would be I'm on vacay till the 2nd. I hope for everyone else's sake that it does go early though.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
Only two more days, though!

I wonder if Spike has picked her mentee yet.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on August 31, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
Apparently, there's a surprise that Brenda Drake is announcing tomorrow. Everything is hush hush. Wonder what it could be!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on August 31, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
They were down to two mentee wars, whether she's one I don't know.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on August 31, 2015, 04:19:45 PM
I'm likely to miss the whole thing tomorrow... <pout>

I'll be at the MIL's and her internet is incredibly spotty (and slow!) so I'll likely be on cellular data only. The joys of family who live in the sticks.

Anybody wanna watch/listen and text me updates? LOL - kidding. Sort of.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on August 31, 2015, 04:59:54 PM
Apparently, there's a surprise that Brenda Drake is announcing tomorrow. Everything is hush hush. Wonder what it could be!

It's goooooood!!!  *bounces*

Mwahaha!

Two more sleeps!

And yes, X, I have my mentee! Eeee!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 05:31:48 PM

It's goooooood!!!  *bounces*

Mwahaha!

Two more sleeps!

And yes, X, I have my mentee! Eeee!!

YAY! I'm excited to find out who it is!

Also, I've always loved things being described as sleeps.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 31, 2015, 06:07:03 PM
Quote
Soooo I'm like 99.9% sure I didn't get into #PitchWars.

Me, last year. (https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/507037242972332032)

Have you ever thought about mentoring? (Off topic sort of, I know).

Just wondering.

Pff, I'd be the worst mentor ever. I don't even do first fives usually because people can't get through them without heartbreak, even with kitten pictures.


Also, coming back to this.

Harsh of not, Gckatz, your insight is extremely valuable to me and the forums. Your critique on my chapters has seriously changed my story for the better.

Personally, I think your feedback would be really awesome for any MS--especially Historical Fiction.

Apparently, there's a surprise that Brenda Drake is announcing tomorrow. Everything is hush hush. Wonder what it could be!

It's goooooood!!!  *bounces*

Mwahaha!

Two more sleeps!

And yes, X, I have my mentee! Eeee!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I'm so happy for you, Spike! I know your mentee will be so awesome :D

They will have an awesome mentor.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on August 31, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
As for Brenda's surprise, should we partake in a round of WAGs (Wild Assed Guesses)? Spike, cover your eyes (and congrats on your mentee pick!).  ;D

Ima guess that each mentor gets to put forward a submission they think is ready to query, to the agent they would be a good match for. The mentors are taking agent wish lists into account, I think, anyway.

RKarina, I'll check in sometime after the webcast and if nobody has posted it yet, I'll post to say what the surprise was. Falthor, can you check this site from your vacation?

GCKatz, I hate that you or anyone gets grief (or anything other than THANK YOU) for giving feedback. It's due to this forum and CP feedback that my MS is in the shape it's in now. And I'm so grateful.

X, thanks for cheering us along. You're aces!  :up: And grats on your date night.  :clap:

Cradle, I am really impressed at your level of introspection, positive attitude, and maturity. Wish I'd had a teaspoon of your confidence when I was your age!

Good luck, everyone, not just in this contest but in the daily effort it takes to follow this dream!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 06:40:41 PM
Thank you Courtney!

I'm so excited for all of you!

But remember even if you aren't picked, you all are still brilliant writers. I know. I've read your stuff. :)

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on August 31, 2015, 07:53:04 PM
OK, changing my WAG. I just saw a post in my feed of a person saying she was excited to join the mentors. And the mentors are saying they are refreshing their browsers and waiting impatiently. So I guess that Brenda is adding mentors who are reading the subs and picking up some who wouldn't have gotten a mentor.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on August 31, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
Quote
GCKatz, I hate that you or anyone gets grief (or anything other than THANK YOU) for giving feedback.

Nah, no one gives me grief. You all take it like champs. But think of how many problems I can find in a half-page query and now imagine it's a 300-page novel. It's not a fun time. But I'm glad you guys have found my comments helpful.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 07:56:19 PM
OK, changing my WAG. I just saw a post in my feed of a person saying she was excited to join the mentors. And the mentors are saying they are refreshing their browsers and waiting impatiently. So I guess that Brenda is adding mentors who are reading the subs and picking up some who wouldn't have gotten a mentor.

They did Ninja mentors one year. So, perhaps that'll happen again.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 07:59:19 PM

Nah, no one gives me grief. You all take it like champs. But think of how many problems I can find in a half-page query and now imagine it's a 300-page novel. It's not a fun time. But I'm glad you guys have found my comments helpful.


We have. You are very helpful, even if I get slightly terrified when I see you comment on one of my critique-things. (That was a joke.)

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on August 31, 2015, 08:02:21 PM
 That sounds weird and wonderful! I hope I can tune in--supposed to be GMing a game. D: I'll have to pause them mid-adventure, ahaha.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 31, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
What is happening????

I'm so excited to see who made it. I will be actively looking for QT members! :)

And, I promised myself I wouldn't post anything like this, but for the sake of my heart palpitations & issues that started this week, OH GOD JUST SPILL THE BEANS!!!! *bites nails and feels like I'm about to faint*

And fyi, I'll be okay peeps. I'm a tough one.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
What is happening????

I'm so excited to see who made it. I will be actively looking for QT members! :)

And, I promised myself I wouldn't post anything like this, but for the sake of my heart palpitations & issues that started this week, OH GOD JUST SPILL THE BEANS!!!! *bites nails and feels like I'm about to faint*

And fyi, I'll be okay peeps. I'm a tough one.

Are you really okay? You seem to have had a lot of stuff like that going on lately? I've been worried.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 31, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
What is happening????

I'm so excited to see who made it. I will be actively looking for QT members! :)

And, I promised myself I wouldn't post anything like this, but for the sake of my heart palpitations & issues that started this week, OH GOD JUST SPILL THE BEANS!!!! *bites nails and feels like I'm about to faint*

And fyi, I'll be okay peeps. I'm a tough one.

Are you really okay? You seem to have had a lot of stuff like that going on lately? I've been worried.

I'll be okay :) I always survive, don't I?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on August 31, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
I am SO ready for tomorrow. I need me a party hat.

I swear, if I see a QT person on the master list I will probably wet myself and then some.

Guys, I am so excited. So, so excited to see who gets in!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on August 31, 2015, 08:58:49 PM


I'll be okay :) I always survive, don't I?

Yeah, but...

I know it's stupid, but you're my friend and I don't want something bad to happen to you.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
As for Brenda's surprise, should we partake in a round of WAGs (Wild Assed Guesses)? Spike, cover your eyes (and congrats on your mentee pick!).  ;D

Ima guess that each mentor gets to put forward a submission they think is ready to query, to the agent they would be a good match for. The mentors are taking agent wish lists into account, I think, anyway.

RKarina, I'll check in sometime after the webcast and if nobody has posted it yet, I'll post to say what the surprise was. Falthor, can you check this site from your vacation?

GCKatz, I hate that you or anyone gets grief (or anything other than THANK YOU) for giving feedback. It's due to this forum and CP feedback that my MS is in the shape it's in now. And I'm so grateful.

X, thanks for cheering us along. You're aces!  :up: And grats on your date night.  :clap:

Cradle, I am really impressed at your level of introspection, positive attitude, and maturity. Wish I'd had a teaspoon of your confidence when I was your age!

Good luck, everyone, not just in this contest but in the daily effort it takes to follow this dream!

You rock! Thanks!!! (this is why I love this place)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 07:59:30 AM
yep i have fulla ccess tot he net, and my laptop is with we (work laptop anyways).  it`s more a matter of having time to check in than anything else.

Gotta echo cradle`s thought too Gcatz...  I know when you have commented on something it`s going to be blunt, but generally right on the money.   I love seeing when you have commented on my stuff.

so what time today is this announcement?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on September 01, 2015, 08:46:44 AM
I'm also wondering what the surprise is . . . !

I don't think I got in either, but it's a win-win because this contest pushed me to do another revision in 3 weeks and write multiple synopses (ack!). I plan on having a 5 minute pity party, picking myself up, doing one more edit on my MS, and start querying before September if that's the case. I'm rooting for a QTer!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on September 01, 2015, 10:08:48 AM
A pitchwars tribute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKzvBtf_Ojo&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKzvBtf_Ojo&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 01, 2015, 02:25:55 PM
I'm so excited for everyone!  I feel like the surprise is that they are announcing tonight instead of tomorrow. 

Also, the announcement of the additional mentor was to replace someone that had to bow out because something happened - hope everything is all right!

Can't wait to see who gets picked - I'm so rooting for the QT members too!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 02:46:48 PM
well anyone with 2 or more mentors fighting over them got e-mail today.  Alas I was not one of them.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 01, 2015, 03:05:24 PM
Brenda said there was only two that really got down and dirty with mentors fighting for their stories. But I will be tuned in tonight for the announcement! I'm super excited! And I can't wait until tomorrow. For some reason, all I've been doing is giggling like crazy. It's nothing like I felt the other times I'd entered. I guess we'll see what tomorrow brings.

Best of luck to all my QT family who entered! No matter the outcome, you guys know you're awesome!  :yes: :wink:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on September 01, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
What time is the announcement tonight? Ah who am I kidding? I have a family dinner. I'll totally forget to look.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 01, 2015, 03:33:12 PM
For some reason, all I've been doing is giggling like crazy. It's nothing like I felt the other times I'd entered.

Ooh, now I'm wondering if you were one of the ones they fought over!!!  I hope so.  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on September 01, 2015, 03:41:00 PM
I'm so excited for you all!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 01, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
Anyone else think they might post tonight at midnight going into the 2nd?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 01, 2015, 05:25:08 PM
What time is the announcement tonight? Ah who am I kidding? I have a family dinner. I'll totally forget to look.

It starts at 8pm. My guess is pacific time.

For some reason, all I've been doing is giggling like crazy. It's nothing like I felt the other times I'd entered.

Ooh, now I'm wondering if you were one of the ones they fought over!!!  I hope so.  :)


Thanks! Lol! But I'm not sure I'm one of those. It would be cool, though. All I know is I've been so giggly these past few days, so anxious to see what happens tonight and tomorrow!! Probably won't sleep much! Lol!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 01, 2015, 05:46:06 PM
Where are you people getting all this inside info? And what's going to happen at 8 pm tonight?  ???
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on September 01, 2015, 05:47:25 PM
Anyone else think they might post tonight at midnight going into the 2nd?

That or 8am. Those seem like the usual contest post time.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on September 01, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
Announcements NOW.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 01, 2015, 08:09:00 PM
So.... wow....

I think I need to sit down.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
Well... I didn't get in. Ah well.
Who's in?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 01, 2015, 08:15:36 PM
Congratulations Cradle!  Wahoo!   So excited for you!!!

I didn't get in - anyone else get in?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on September 01, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
 I didn't either, but kind of figured when I got no requests!

 So happy someone from on here got in though. :D I wasn't sure when I read the list, as I don't know anyone's real names, haha.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 08:21:15 PM
No i...

I'm with everyone else though I didn't get any requests so I figured that was the case.

Alrighty then, I have my MS out with someone still when I get their notes back it'll be polish time and then query time.

Whose got my back?


Grats Cradle, hope I helped in some small part in getting you there.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on September 01, 2015, 08:21:22 PM
So.... wow....

I think I need to sit down.

HOLY f**k CRADLE THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're gonna do so well and gonna get so many requests and OOOOOH  :yes: :clap: :clap: :cheer:

and PitchWars has a high number of successes so who knows you might even be agented before me  :wag:

Seriously I'm so excited for you my heart just jumped a bit

:D

YOU GO GIRL

YOU KICK THEIR ASSES

(I had a feeling too)

And you said you wouldn't get picked. :wag:

Super happy for you.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 08:25:00 PM
Ah spike picked one of my new twitter friends...  Nice...
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 08:25:51 PM
  :cheer: :cheer:
Woot! Congrats Cradle!

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on September 01, 2015, 08:26:19 PM
Congrats Cradle!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 08:26:58 PM
I did get a request for a full - I just kept really quiet. I know at least two of the mentors said they would provide feedback, so I'm looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 01, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
OH MY GOODNESS!!!! CONGRATS CRADLE!!!!!!  :award: :cheer: :p1: :p1:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 01, 2015, 08:28:37 PM
I got a request for the first fifty and  :yes: But no, I didn't get in. Oh well. I still feel super happy, and I'm unbelievably stoked for Cradle!!!!!! You've got this, girl!!!! We're all rooting for you!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 01, 2015, 08:30:26 PM
I also got a request but kept it to myself.  :)   
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CillanXC on September 01, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
I got one partial and one full request (and considering I only subbed to 3 mentors, I'm happy with that ;D).
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
huh... I must just really suck then.


;-)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: TerryRodgers on September 01, 2015, 08:34:05 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

CRADLE

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 01, 2015, 08:34:25 PM
We're all champs here!! Congrats everyone on just entering, and now it's time to root our dear Cradle on. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on September 01, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Lets have a big hug circle. Awesome job, Cradle, and the rest of you are also awesome. Everyone should be proud of themselves.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
huh... I must just really suck then.


;-)

That's a joke right?
(Tired me can't tell...)

Seriously... That's a joke, right?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/a-little-inspiration-goes-a-long-way-21-photos-18.jpg?quality=90&strip=info&w=600)

this picture pretty much sums it up.  I worked my ass off and have no regrets, I did a complete re-write from the skeleton of my MS in a month, 50K words.  I didn't leave anything in the tank.  And now, to quote a friend, forever forward, I'm off to getting ready to finally query.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 01, 2015, 08:39:15 PM
yes.. total joke the smiley is winking if you didn't notice.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: RKarina on September 01, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
yes.. total joke the smiley is winking if you didn't notice.

On my phone... 2 hours of sleep in the last 48...
Call me clueless. ;)

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: awarwick on September 01, 2015, 08:54:41 PM
Congratulations Cradle!!!! :)

And congratulations to everyone who entered!! I got a full, a partial, and a synopsis request, so I'm looking forward to some feedback if the mentors are willing to give it :)

Now it's time to move forward!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 01, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
Congrats Cradle!  :clap:

I didn't get picked. :'(   And now I start querying agents.

Good luck to everyone who entered but did not get picked.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 01, 2015, 09:14:13 PM
So excited for Cradle and I think Spike is mentoring the one with the cyborg - both books sound awesome!  Cradle's sounded awesome from the first time I read the query on here!  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on September 01, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
You all did great, guys. Whether you got in or a request or nothing. I've seen you all working your asses of. You should all be proud.

 :award:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 01, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Thank you guys, truly!

Also, Spike's mentee is amazing. I was rooting for her so freaking hard man lol!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on September 01, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
Congratulations Cradle!!!  :clap:

I ended up entering and got three full requests. I wasn't selected, but I already got good feedback from one of the mentors and hope to hear from the other two as well.

Between these three requests and the one from Pitch to Publication at least I know I'm on the right track  :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gogo5358 on September 01, 2015, 10:00:10 PM
Congrats cradle!!!! That's awesome
 And congrats to everyone who worked their butts off to get their me ready for pitch wars. I have high hopes for everyone!!!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 01, 2015, 10:13:50 PM
Whew! Thank you guys. Without QT, I wouldn't have made it this far in terms of believing in myself. This is truly an awesome community.

Also, there were so many picks the mentors loved but couldn't take on.  :(

Also also, I can't sit still.

I know there is a LOT of work to be done.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on September 02, 2015, 06:08:54 AM
 The silver-lining of not getting picked is (apart from all the stuff already stated--CPs, etc), the querying ban is lifted, haha. I found so many agents I wanted to query during Pitchwars (and couldn't). It was hilarious. Also, looks like there will be a lot more contests coming up. (:

 Plus, now I finally have time to work on sending feedback to other people, etc, before term really fires up. D:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on September 02, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
Wow guys!! So many of you got requests! That's awesome!

Also, WOOOOOO CRADLE!!!! I had such a good feeling about yours  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Hrothmeir on September 02, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Congrats, Cradle!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: KimE on September 02, 2015, 09:28:13 AM
Congrats Cradle! Happy for you! :cheer: :cheer:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 02, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
Just got my first communication from a mentor I queried. Kind words from a kind lady, Laura Heffernan. :clap:
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: stormi0611 on September 02, 2015, 10:08:53 AM
Just got my first communication from a mentor I queried. Kind words from a kind lady, Laura Heffernan. :clap:

Laura is simply wonderful. Even though she didn't request from me, she still sent me feedback. I've been following her on Twitter for a while, long before I knew she was going to be a mentor, and her tips have been very helpful.

I'm honestly not too upset about not being selected. The mentors have been great and I feel like a winner just getting feedback from them.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: SamIAm on September 02, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
Woohoo! Cradle, I'm so excited for you! And that's awesome to anyone who got requests!

Anyone who didn't make it, let me say this: The mentee I chose applied last year and didn't make it. She got feedback, got more CPs, ripped her ms to shreds, and revised hard for a year. And there were at least 4 of us fighting for her sub this year. Luckily for me, we all agreed I was the best fit and I didn't have to go to war, but still. A pass in this doesn't mean all is lost.

Plus, querying works, too! It's how I got my agent. Contests are all well and good, but nothing beats cold, hard querying.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 02, 2015, 12:05:32 PM
Just got another email from a mentor I submitted to: Kellye Garrett. This one was much more personal, and to show my appreciation, I'm going to buy one of her books - one in e-format.

She said she didn't choose me because, "Ultimately, it came down to my strengths and characters struggling with emotional and mental issues isn’t one of them."

She also said, "You have the voice and the talent. These can't be taught! It's just a matter of finding your agent. He or she it out there!"

Compliments always accepted.

For those out there who feel they weren't chosen because their MS was lacking - that simply isn't true. It not only comes down to taste, but who the mentor feels he/she can help the most.

Looking forward to more feedback,
JP 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Pandean on September 02, 2015, 12:26:06 PM
Woohoo! Cradle, I'm so excited for you! And that's awesome to anyone who got requests!

Anyone who didn't make it, let me say this: The mentee I chose applied last year and didn't make it. She got feedback, got more CPs, ripped her ms to shreds, and revised hard for a year. And there were at least 4 of us fighting for her sub this year. Luckily for me, we all agreed I was the best fit and I didn't have to go to war, but still. A pass in this doesn't mean all is lost.

Plus, querying works, too! It's how I got my agent. Contests are all well and good, but nothing beats cold, hard querying.


What is her story about?
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CourtneyBuc on September 02, 2015, 08:42:05 PM
Well, I didn't get selected, but I don't feel rejected. The mentors are a pretty great bunch, and I am so glad I took part.

Good luck Cradel, and Spike I hope your mentee is awesome!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Tracey Enerson on September 02, 2015, 09:46:31 PM
I am a long time lurker, seldom poster. I have learned so much from you all, and am proud to announce I'm a 2015 PitchWars mentee. I hope to post occasionally about my experiences and try to give back to this wonderful community. I write adult historical, literary, commercial and women's fiction and non-fiction.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 02, 2015, 10:20:04 PM
Congrats, Tracy! :clap: You must be really eager to get going with your mentor.

Please keep us posted.

JP
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Kimberly- on September 02, 2015, 11:41:43 PM
Congrats Tracey!  That's awesome!

The mentee I chose applied last year and didn't make it. She got feedback, got more CPs, ripped her ms to shreds, and revised hard for a year. And there were at least 4 of us fighting for her sub this year. Luckily for me, we all agreed I was the best fit and I didn't have to go to war, but still. A pass in this doesn't mean all is lost.



Spike, I love these kinds of stories - so happy for her - she tweeted why she loved her ms when there was the #ILovemyMS hashtag going on and she had me at cyborgs!  (with a fight to the death)  I'd buy her book today if I could.   :)

I'd buy Cradle's today too - both stories are right up my alley! 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Sarah Ahiers (Falen) on September 03, 2015, 07:58:17 AM
congrats, Tracey!
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 03, 2015, 10:01:42 AM
Yay Tracey!

And congrats to those who got requests! FWIW, I received two fulls and one synopsis, but I was fairly sure I didn't get in, because their tweets seemed to be about other manuscripts. Also, my mentor's co-mentor picked her mentee without requesting anything. She just knew.

Also, my mentor has cracked the whip, and I will be doing some serious homework/rewriting this weekend.

*downs three cups of coffee*

*poofs away in a cloud of smoke*
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 03, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
First reply back from a mentor. Lisa maxwell. She loved the premise, the opening, and the query but felt Steve's voice was too mature.

Interesting. I'll have to look into that.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: JohnPansini on September 03, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
Good feedback from her, Falthor. Maybe you could set this guy up as being more mature than the average teenager.

Speaking only for myself, I read your opening chapter a while ago and I did not get that impression. You might ask others for their opinions.

(f**king Blue Jays refuse to lose!) >:(
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: quiarahb on September 03, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
Go Tracy!!! Glad of you to post so we have two QTers to root for!!!

I got feedback from one mentor who said they loved the premise and my stakes were really laid out in the query, but the comp to Alice in Wonderland made her antsy. This was pretty much a preference thing, though I will say that she told me the pace could pick up a bit. This was a nitpick of hers but worth going back through my MS and looking into.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Tracey Enerson on September 03, 2015, 02:03:52 PM
Okay, so received first edit letter and a phone call from my mentor. The fun begins! First thing he suggests is cutting out the opening 5 pages! Haha, I already cut the original first 10 pages, as it was basically backstory, and thought I was starting in the right place. He's right of course, I need to get into the action sooner, there is too much description in those pages. Now to find ways to slip in the description so readers aren't floating around without a world to anchor them.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: gckatz on September 03, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
Quote
First thing he suggests is cutting out the opening 5 pages!

Starting a book too early is such an unbelievably common problem. It's practically one of those inevitable first-draft things, like including filter words.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on September 03, 2015, 02:56:03 PM
Okay, so received first edit letter and a phone call from my mentor. The fun begins! First thing he suggests is cutting out the opening 5 pages! Haha, I already cut the original first 10 pages, as it was basically backstory, and thought I was starting in the right place. He's right of course, I need to get into the action sooner, there is too much description in those pages. Now to find ways to slip in the description so readers aren't floating around without a world to anchor them.


Oooh. I haven't' received my edit letter yet, but I've been bouncing emails back and forth from my mentor and I. She wanted me to scrap the end and change a MAJOR character. Not a HUGE plot overhaul, but a complete revamp of the second half, along with other minor edits. I am sure there will be a bunch more, as the edit letter is on its way, along with my first assignment, I think.

I brainstormed an alternate ending and a premise change, and I was afraid she wouldn't like it. But it gave her goose bumps, guys. *wipes sweat off brow* And it is so much better than my original.

I also received my first feedback from a mentor I subbed to. I was really sweet and complimentary, and she basically said she passed because she wasn't entirely she what she could help with.

Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Tracey Enerson on September 04, 2015, 09:39:35 AM
Wow, Cradle, awesome progress. Sounds like you and your mentor are a great match. Also some wonderful feedback from the other mentor you subbed to. I haven't gotten notes on the whole novel yet, just the first chapter.
I think this is such an extraordinary experience, I hope to give back by being a mentor some day.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Doggy Teng on September 04, 2015, 02:35:08 PM
Congratulations Cradle and Tracey! :clap:

And congrats to everyone else who entered, too.  It was fun to read all the drama and excitement in this thread, and I agree that one of the best things about contests is that they can give you the 'kick in the pants' you need to finish and polish up a project by a deadline, and everyone who accomplishes that should be proud of themselves. :up: 
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CrawlingChaos on September 05, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
 Congrats, Tracey!

 I'm looking forward to hearing from everyone going through the process. My twitter feed seems so silent now.

 A couple of the mentors I subbed to said they'd been planning to send me feedback, and one of them already has. She said the writing was strong, but she was confused when the first character introduced wasn't the one in the query. We commiserated a little on the difficulty of writing multi-character query letters/epic fantasy query letters, and she suggested a new query-writing site I might check out. She had also suggested changing the title of the first section from Chapter 1 back to Prologue, as prologues are more acceptable in fantasy. It seems too long for a prologue though, so I'm not sure, haha.

 Anyway--super helpful all around! (:

 Just received an MS from a new CP! Looking forward to reading it, as the premise sounded right up my alley.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: eleven02 on September 06, 2015, 12:41:19 AM
I haven't been online much the past week or so (family stuff), but... I had requests for 2 fulls + synopsis, and ended up not getting picked. However, I got some wonderfully thoughtful feedback and a few compliments on voice, so that makes me happy.

Just to counterbalance it, I got one piece of feedback that said they didn't connect to the voice at all. So subjective.

Congratulations, Cradle & Tracey! GOOD LUCK! I'm so happy for both of you.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Falthor on September 10, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
just got feedback from Erica Chapman...

dialogue tagging and some minor alterations to the opener. I actually went through this but maybe I sent the wrong first chapter to them?   oh well...

good ideas either way.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Tracey Enerson on October 30, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Well, it's almost time for the agent round. I thought my pitch and first 250 words were in pretty good shape. Wrong. My mentor and a fellow mentee helped me make them so much better. It's incredible how others find just the right words, even when, in the case of the mentee, she hasn't read the story. I am honored and humbled being a part of this contest.
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: CradleOfInsanity on October 30, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
Well, it's almost time for the agent round. I thought my pitch and first 250 words were in pretty good shape. Wrong. My mentor and a fellow mentee helped me make them so much better. It's incredible how others find just the right words, even when, in the case of the mentee, she hasn't read the story. I am honored and humbled being a part of this contest.

 :yes:

Have you posted your entry yet? I posted mine (as crappy as it is right now!!!).

Also, the lovely people on QT helped shape up my pitch, query, and first few pages (and chapter). Without them I probably wouldn't even be in Pitch Wars. This group is an amazing bunch of people. :)
Title: Re: Pitch Wars in August!
Post by: Tracey Enerson on November 02, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
Cradle,
Yes, I posted my pitch and first 250 on the Facebook page under events. I also used the Pitch spreadsheet, but the opionions varied. Ultimately, I went with my mentor's top choice.