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Queries and Agents => Literary Agents => Topic started by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 07:10:11 AM

Title: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 07:10:11 AM
So I was procrastinating earlier, and doing some research on agents, response times and things of that ilk.  And I noticed on a few boards where people listed their contact log (submitted on x, partial requested on x, etc), that there's more than a few times where an agent requests a partial or a full, and it's two months or longer between the request, and the actual submission.  I saw at least three examples of this just randomly researching on Verla Kay today.  Six weeks was the actual average, but there was one delay of two months, and another that was just a little over two months.

That's crazy.  Why are you querying if your novel isn't perfect?   If it's something that'll take two months of polish before you can send it out, then shouldn't you wait?  (Yeah, I know the answer to this, it's just the examples are kinda shocking me at the moment).
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Emeraldsky on November 06, 2007, 07:17:17 AM
This is a fine example of stalling, Lege.  :up: Keep up the good work and you'll never be forced to go through all that hoopla.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 07:20:27 AM
 :'(

I like to think of it as doing the legwork in advance, so when I am ready to query (someday) I won't have to do much research because I've done it all already.   :yes:
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Emeraldsky on November 06, 2007, 07:37:21 AM
I stalled like that once... had a fantastic list of about 15 publishers. And then, at another formal stalling event, I reviewed them again to keep tabs on any news they might have, only to learn that 7 out of the 15 had become "agent-only" when I wasn't looking.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 07:39:17 AM
It's not stalling.  It's more like....portioning out the productivity.  Yeah. ;)
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Emeraldsky on November 06, 2007, 08:05:18 AM
Here's what you do to really really stall while working on your MS (of course, you don't learn much about agents this way- but it's still productive).

-Reveal your ms codes. (works the best if you have one file to work with.)
-Make sure ch titles/ch numbers are all consistently placed, and consistently sized. (equal lines above and below throughout the ms).
-Make sure all your indents are either indents or tabs for consistency. Never use both.
-Make sure there are NO spaces after the 'return' code, at each paragraph end.
-Make non-continuous section breaks after each chapter- so you can make footers labeling each chapter per section.
-Make sure your 'format' choice is consistent throughout. No 'body text' here and 'normal' there.
-Make sure your chapter titles are formated as some sort of 'header', so that if you wanted to make an index page, saying what pages chapters fall on.. it's ready to go.
-And lastly, when the last sentence of a paragraph ends with a single, or maybe two small words on the line, alter the rt margin of that paragraph to pull the last words up with the bulk of the paragraph. This is much more pleasing to the eye, and I've been able to decrease the ms page length by nearly 30 pages- just by doing this. Which can be VERY VERY important when an agent asks for 50 pages.. The only frustrating part is when you edit that same paragraph later on.. the margin width becomes wrongly adjusted, and you have to fix it. Also, the same should be done for pages. If there's three text lines on a page, because it's the end of a chapter, adjust margins throughout that chapter to pull those lines up into the previous page.

 ;D
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
Emsky...

Have you been spying on me?  I have actually done some of those things...making sure the spacer lines are equal, different things the same font size, etc.  Yikes!  I'm scaring myself just thinking about it. :cover:

But, on the other hand...I do think there is validity in doing some of these things.  You want to send out a perfect MS and some agents are very particular about margins, etc.  I have even seen that if there is just a couple of lines to finish the section or chapter that you should go ahead and send it even if it does make it 51 pages.

Abi
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: audal on November 06, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
I have no holy clue what MS Codes or Return Codes or Non-Continuous Section Breaks are... but I definitely endorse trimming lines so a paragraph doesn't have that dangling single word.  Definitely a page saver.

I also think it'd be INSANE to not be able to submit a partial or full within seconds of getting the request.  Most I've waited was three days - only that long because it was my first full and I felt compelled to reread it.  Seriously, though people query for unprepared projects??

Insane.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
Completely wacko! :wacky:
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: justwrite on November 06, 2007, 10:18:09 AM
As a graphic designer and formatting freak, I fully endorse Emsky's list. As for Lege:

I think we can call what you're doing. "Lege-work".

There, stalling-researching now has a new name.

Which is what I'm doing while my portfolio students spin their creative wheels in my class.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 10:43:46 AM
I have to say I like this pic better JW. :)
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 11:14:20 AM
Okay...just saw someone printing this thread.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: joanjunkmail on November 06, 2007, 03:49:48 PM
I think we can call what you're doing. "Lege-work".


HILARIOUS!  i'm doing lege-work right now - i had down time at work and wrote 300 words (yes, i counted them, then i found an audit manual and read it - it was a VERY slow day), so now all i have to do is type it and add another 2000 words...i had to stop at work because it turned out two of the housemates were naked.  i have NO idea how that happened!  this 'no outline/let the plot flow' thing gets out of hand!

so, now i'm doing lege work
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 03:55:12 PM
I can't decide if that's a compliment or an insult.

Oh well, I go with compliment.  Yay, I contributed to the QT lexicon.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 05:11:18 PM
HILARIOUS!  i'm doing lege-work right now - i had down time at work and wrote 300 words (yes, i counted them, then i found an audit manual and read it - it was a VERY slow day), so now all i have to do is type it and add another 2000 words...i had to stop at work because it turned out two of the housemates were naked.  i have NO idea how that happened!  this 'no outline/let the plot flow' thing gets out of hand!


LMAO :rolf: :rof2: :rof2: :rolf: :rof2: :rof2: :rolf:

I must say, I work without an outline and it can be quite exciting...however, I never had it get THAT exciting!

I did Lege-work earlier...and, now you can see I'm back Lege-working...I only wrote  118 words in between...

Abi
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Legionsynch on November 06, 2007, 05:15:03 PM
I need to do more Lege-work.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 05:17:47 PM
Get back to editing!  Get back to NaNoing!  Work, work, work!!!
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: joanjunkmail on November 06, 2007, 05:21:02 PM
washed the dishes and packed tomorrow's lunch, in the meantime my slacker son called, so suddenly one of the characters is now looking for work, repudiating her slacker ways! 

i kinda like this wish fulfillment aspect of the work.  in fact, i feel incredibly powerful....

I AM GODDESS JOAN!
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 05:23:16 PM
But is she going to put her clothes on to look for this work?...Or does the type of work she's looking for not require clothing? :surprise:
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: joanjunkmail on November 06, 2007, 05:24:45 PM
ohh, good point!  wonder if she'll be propositioned in the interview?  oh, that would be awful... i just might do it!  except, she's more of a controller - men fall around her, they don't prey on her.  still...it's a thought.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: Abigail on November 06, 2007, 05:27:28 PM
how would it feel for the controller to be preyed upon??
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: joanjunkmail on November 06, 2007, 06:30:01 PM
well, that's gonna happen, but not in the job interview.  the job interview will only be an anecdote that she tells... no idea whether it's a good interview, a bad interview or a weird interview yet.  but, no, the come-uppance won't be in that scene.

good idea though.
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: coll on November 06, 2007, 08:40:57 PM
Oh my gosh, I thought you were talking about one of your kids!


How can she be so glib!


Coll  ;D
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: joanjunkmail on November 07, 2007, 04:50:10 AM
HA! 

y'know, though, maybe if i convince my son he'd get propositioned in an interview, he'd actually apply for jobs!  it's a thought...thanks, coll!
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: justwrite on November 07, 2007, 10:51:04 PM
Had any of you noticed how this thread went off road and drove into a ditch?
Title: Re: Waits Between Request and Submission
Post by: LeahClifford on November 07, 2007, 11:07:29 PM
Ok, back on topic.  I waited 4 days to send my full and felt like I waited too long.  I'm into the quick turnaround.  Wish the agents were....