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Offline shadowwalker

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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 01:24:15 PM »
First what the heck is this commercial publishing nonsense? You mean traditional publishing?

You mean trade publishing?
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 01:51:16 PM »
As for whether we indie authors make money, well, I've sold 6000 novels in the last year.

Wait, i'm confused. Are you Indie published? Or Self-pubbed? Because they're not the same thing.


I'm also a little sad that your post seems to kind of put down people who aren't interested in self-publishing. Just because i want to be traditionally published, doesn't mean i'm crazy or that i'm chasing a brass ring
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 01:52:25 PM »
First what the heck is this commercial publishing nonsense? You mean traditional publishing?

You mean trade publishing?
No, I mean traditional publishing.

The sales of novels whether indie published or traditionally published is both commercial and a form of trade unless you're doing it for a non-profit organization.
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 01:58:49 PM »
As for whether we indie authors make money, well, I've sold 6000 novels in the last year.

Wait, i'm confused. Are you Indie published? Or Self-pubbed? Because they're not the same thing.


I'm also a little sad that your post seems to kind of put down people who aren't interested in self-publishing. Just because i want to be traditionally published, doesn't mean i'm crazy or that i'm chasing a brass ring
I am an indie author. That is the most widely accepted term for an author who choses to publish without a publishing company. Traditional publishing is publishing with a publishing company whether a large one or a small one.

See. You used the term because it's the one that makes sense. :)

No, you're not crazy to chase that brass ring if it's what you want but you are spending a lot of time in a part of the forum that is devoted to "alternative publishing" telling people how stupid they are and that they can't possibly succeed. Out of all the people who chase a brass ring, a few will catch it, a very few. But there is also, now, another viable route.
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 02:05:14 PM »
No, you're not crazy to chase that brass ring if it's what you want but you are spending a lot of time in a part of the forum that is devoted to "alternative publishing" telling people how stupid they are and that they can't possibly succeed. Out of all the people who chase a brass ring, a few will catch it, a very few. But there is also, now, another viable route.

OK, first off, i HAVE NEVER said anyone is stupid for self-publishing. NOR WILL I EVER. I have a lot of friends who self publish, some successfully, some not, so please don't come in here and put words in my mouth that are blatantly untrue.

Second, i didn't realize only self-published people are allowed to talk about self-publishing. Foolish me to think this was an open and supportive community that welcomes everyone's opinions regardless of whether or not they agree with them.


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I am an indie author. That is the most widely accepted term for an author who choses to publish without a publishing company.

I would disagree with this. Indie publishing has come to mean those published by a small publishing house. A quick google search agrees with my statement, as does wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_press
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 02:15:25 PM »
I am an indie author. I do not work under contract which specifies what I should write for a particular entity. Nor am I a self-published author.

Falen, there is no point talking terminology with some. They have their own language which perpetrates their unhappiness with trade publishing. And no, they don't care for those who are not self-publishing to interact on self-publishing discussions - that might actually mean another point of view is brought up.
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 04:03:27 PM »
The term "traditional publishing" was brought into widespread use by the infamous scam outfit called PublishAmerica, who intended it as a pejorative.

Random House, Simon & Schuster, Kensington, et al can be correctly described as "commercial publishers".

Arguing about the exact meaning of such terms as "self-publish" and "indie writer" is a spectacularly efficient way of wasting time.   :)

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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 04:32:55 PM »
The term "traditional publishing" was brought into widespread use by the infamous scam outfit called PublishAmerica, who intended it as a pejorative.

Random House, Simon & Schuster, Kensington, et al can be correctly described as "commercial publishers".

Arguing about the exact meaning of such terms as "self-publish" and "indie writer" is a spectacularly efficient way of wasting time.   :)

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No more than arguing about "traditional publishing" vs "commercial publishing"  :wink:
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 06:47:22 PM »
Bien sûr. 

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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 08:05:44 PM »
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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 08:09:23 PM »
At the end of the day, don't we all just want the same thing?

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Re: Are publishers still relevant?
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 11:16:32 PM »
I know I sure do!   ;D