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Author Topic: Been a while, need help with Sleep Deprivation/Stimulant overuse  (Read 158 times)
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« on: September 13, 2018, 03:39:41 PM »

hi Guys,

it's been a while and I've been kind of floating in limbo where I had nothing to really write about even though I was still getting ideas for more stuff (weird but true)

Anyways, I have this idea for an urban fantasy/Dystopian thing where people can't sleep because of horrendous nightmares that everyone on the planet seems to share whenever anyone goes to sleep.  I'm wondering what long-term exposure to very little or no sleep would do to the population and going hand in hand with that, what the excessive use of stimulants to avoid sleep would do in the long run.

My current idea is that the lack of sleep is plunging the world into a place where people are more jittery and prone to violence, where the government is trying to function in a state of emergency but is slowly falling apart themselves.  Stimulants like caffeine and Guarana are high-end commodities hoarded by the rich and powerful, etc.   I'm thinking a world one step away from being an absolute wasteland but barely clinging to the technology and interworking that we consider civilized.  Would that be possible do you think?

Anyone have any resources or can point me in the right direction that would be awesome, otherwise, I'M JUST DOING THE NORMAL GOOGLE THING.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2018, 07:41:29 AM »

Love the concept. Sleep deprivation makes people cranky and forgetful. Think brain fog, or how everything bothers you more when you have a severe headache. Would you get lost easily, and constantly forget what you were about to do? Exhaustion would make the simplest tasks difficult, like cooking dinner. If you are in the habit of brushing your teeth before going to bed, so you still bother to brush? Do you eat more because you are awake more? Binge watch Netflix or spend more time on social media or watching porn? And could there be a magic pill that would allow for dreamless sleep?
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 01:35:58 PM »

thanks for the input.  I'm trying to cast this as a world on the brink of falling apart, whether it's because of everyone being short on anger, or driven out of their heads by the lack of sleep.  But I want to write this from the point of view of the average joe as well. 

I'm still fleshing out the idea and the character so everythign is still in play and I think the research that I do will helpshape a lot of what I want to write.   as of now I only have a basic idea of begining and end.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 01:49:07 PM »

Not right on topic, but do you read Jeanette Winterson at all? You should check out her short story, "Disappearance I" in The World and Other Places. It is about a society that does not sleep, and it is quite good. It is not as dark/dystopian as your vision, but I find it quite unique.

As for researching sleep deprivation, there are plenty of scientific articles on it. If you do a search in google scholar as opposed to the main search, you will get more informative journal articles that will be a good starting place.

Also... anyone writing about sleep deprivation in a dark or twisted way should read creepy pasta's "The Russian Sleep Experiment." It can be a lot to take (gets gory), but it is famous among insomniacs ;)
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 04:24:33 PM »

On youtube there is actual film footage of the Russian Sleep Deprivation Experiments of 1945.

Several Nazi war prisoners were given the choice of "volunteering" for this experiment or being shot on the spot.

They all chose the experiment, which involved injecting some sort of gas into the room where they were staying.

These experiments involved extreme sleep deprivation over an extended period with alarming and horrible results.

Are you looking for something extreme like this,
or something like First Chapter describes -- occasional times of sleep deprivation and the noticeable effects in everyday life?
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 09:22:58 AM »

I'm looking at all levels of sleep deprivation.

basically, my idea is that our reality has been invaded from another dimension (this will be revealed as the book goes on) and the beings who have invaded have set themselves up in a time loop sitting at a single moment in time.   from that point on anyone who was alive at the time this invasion happened to travel to that moment and that time when they are asleep (drug-induced or not) and are subject to horrors beyond belief and even a 30-minute snooze is a near eternity there.

so there will be flashback scenes when the onset is not as progressed and people are just starting to fall apart, but the opening is going to be to a world that is radically different to ours, where those who can get by on little to no sleep have taken over and the military complex is slowly failing to contain the all-out rebellion that people's deteriorating mental capacity is going to bring at some point.


so it's going to be all over the place.   I kind of need a base timeline from the ugliness and irritability to the madness and the slow decent between both.  I also need a realistic timeline of how long this would take to spiral out of control.  That's where the Stimulant excess comes in.

I think the book is going to fall into Urban fantasy/Sci-Fi but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 09:25:08 AM »

for the record, I read the Russian Sleep deprivation Creepypasta a couple years back but I think I'll go back and do it again.   I'm also thinking of including/tieing this into Sleep paralysis etc.  Maybe I'm getting too ambitious but I want to reach out there and see everythign that could fit into the story I want to write so I have more material to choose from as I put it all down.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2018, 11:00:41 AM »

To let you know- the "experiments" are not real. They started as stories in 2007-2009 and since then a bunch of "films" have been put together about them, but they are a compilation of other images, and the experiments never actually happened.

On youtube there is actual film footage of the Russian Sleep Deprivation Experiments of 1945.

Several Nazi war prisoners were given the choice of "volunteering" for this experiment or being shot on the spot.

They all chose the experiment, which involved injecting some sort of gas into the room where they were staying.

These experiments involved extreme sleep deprivation over an extended period with alarming and horrible results.

Are you looking for something extreme like this,
or something like First Chapter describes -- occasional times of sleep deprivation and the noticeable effects in everyday life?
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2018, 01:12:29 AM »

I'm not sure how far down that rabbit hole you're willing to go, but there are scores of scholarly articles on this. Everything from irritability to schizophrenia is on that spectrum (which gives you some awesome stuff to work with in terms of the tension/crazy ramping up as the story progresses).
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2018, 07:37:33 AM »

Mooky,   I'm all in for now.   I', still mapping out the main storyline and I'm letting the research I do tinge and shade that story, so I'm just reading up on it as much as I can and then making my roadmap from it.

I'll keep reading and let you guys know when I have something worth reading.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2018, 09:53:25 AM »

To let you know- the "experiments" are not real. They started as stories in 2007-2009 and since then a bunch of "films" have been put together about them, but they are a compilation of other images, and the experiments never actually happened.

On youtube there is actual film footage of the Russian Sleep Deprivation Experiments of 1945.

Several Nazi war prisoners were given the choice of "volunteering" for this experiment or being shot on the spot.

They all chose the experiment, which involved injecting some sort of gas into the room where they were staying.

These experiments involved extreme sleep deprivation over an extended period with alarming and horrible results.

Are you looking for something extreme like this,
or something like First Chapter describes -- occasional times of sleep deprivation and the noticeable effects in everyday life?

I didn't realized thay had never happened. Interesting.
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